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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 6:22PM
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I'm a little confused about this power. If the enemy makes a burst or blast attack against each creature, how to change the target? What about if the attack is against only enemies? Can I change the area of the blast or ranged burst, or only the target within the original area?
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 6:25PM
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I think you'd only be able to change the target after the blast or burst area is decided.
What I want to know is what do you do if there is multipe target options for the attack, say "one or two creatures within range."
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 6:41PM
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I think you pick one target and reassign it. But you're right. This should be clarified. Try asking Wizards?
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 10:12PM
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Both close and area attacks are a single attack that just happens to use multiple attack rolls. When the close or area attack is made, each target is targeted individually and rolled against individually despite it all being part of the same attack - so any one target of the attack is fair game for having the specific attack roll that targeted it switched to another single creature within the attack's original area and range. (Phantom Foes specifies the first attack the opponent makes on their turn, which means that since a close/ranged attack is stilll all one attack despite having multiple attack rolls, that makes any target of the close/area attack eligible to have the attack roll that targeted it redirected onto another creature.) Note: As written, the power states that you can change the target to another creature, but doesn't specify that that creature necessarily has to be a valid target of the attack, just that it has to be a creature within range. So there may be some debate over whether or not you could redirect an attack that only affected enemies of the original attacker onto one of it's allies. Attacks that simply target "creatures" are fair game, though.
What I want to know is what do you do if there is multiple target options for the attack, say "one or two creatures within range."
As explained above, for close and area attacks they're all still one attack despite the multiple rolls so any one target the attack was rolled against could be chosen to have the roll that targeted it switched to someone else.
For melee and ranged attacks, however, each target of the power gets hit with a completely separate attack (and attack roll) and each one is resolved fully before the next one happens - a melee or ranged power that targets "one or two creatures" makes one attack per target, so if an opponent affected by Phantom Foes used a melee or ranged attack that targeted two creatures, only the attack against it's first target would be eligible to be redirected to another creature within that attack's original range.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2011 - 4:48AM
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So if the enemy make a blast attack against each creature, and there are two of my allies and one enemy in the blast, I can change the target to only the enemy? Does it suffer three attacks or only one?
If the attack is against each enemy, I can't change the target?
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2 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2011 - 6:19AM
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Personally i let them re-center the burst/blast.
Not sure how RAW that is.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2011 - 8:34AM
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Date Joined:
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According to RC 308, "attack" can mean either "attack power" or the following definition:
- An attack roll and its results, or
- An attack power with a "Target" line but no "Attack" line.
Looking at the context, I don't think it makes sense for "attack" in the phantom foes effect to refer to the monster's entire attack power. I'd say that one of the targets of the burst/blast could be changed.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 20, 2012 - 8:23PM
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I was looking at this power and I got similar doubts... plus one more: when choosing a different creature for the attack, can it target itself?
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