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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 6:44AM
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Can someone clarify what are/where to find the two weapon fighting rules? I know in 1e it was -2/-4 by default, but you could make an attack with each weapon per round. 3rd edition was similar I believe. What are the rules in 4th? I'm talking for say a fighter who is NOT a tempest fighter that chooses to dual wield weapons.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 6:49AM
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May 13, 2009
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They are very limited. Unless you have a power that says otherwise:
- You pick which weapon you attack with for every power
- Unless one of your weapons has the Off-hand property, once you pick a weapon to swing, you're stuck with it until the start of the next turn
- You are eligible for Feats like Two-Weapon Fighting and Two-Weapon defense
That's it. You can't swing both weapons in one attack unless you have a power for it, like Dual Strike or Twin Strike.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 7:01AM
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Even if you do a basic weapon attack without using a power?
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 7:13AM
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Yes. Even a basic attack swinging with two weapons would blow most at-wills clear out of the water. Remember that Twin Strike is basically just what you're suggesting and it's considered one of the most powerful At-Will powers in the game.
Swinging twice is a huge bonus for many reasons, and thus not given out lightly.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 7:13AM
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Even if you do a basic weapon attack without using a power?
Yep, even then - the only circumstance in which you actually get to make two attack rolls is if the power you are using says you can do so. Otherwise, the only addition a second weapon makes to your attack rolls, damage rolls, or defenses is based on feats such as those mentioned.
I suppose there is one other circumstance - you could swing your off-hand weapon (assuming it has the "off-hand" property) if you spend an Action point to take another action, but single actions don't let you use both weapons unless they are part of a power.
edit: ninja'd
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 7:28AM
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Even if you do a basic weapon attack without using a power?
Basic Attacks are still powers. They're just powers that everyone has.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 7:40AM
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Sep 10, 2011
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Basic Attacks are still powers. They're just powers that everyone has.
This fact is what really clarified things for me regarding my recent difficulties understanding how modifiers work for different powers. It's really laid out quite well in HoFL pp26-27 that basic attacks are really just powers that everyone has. I was thinking of basic attacks as something seperate from other powers.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 8:28AM
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Thanks for the clarification.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 11:03AM
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Even if you do a basic weapon attack without using a power?
That is not possible. Melee Basic Attack and Ranged Basic Attack *are* powers. (They are non-class powers that everyone has. Well, pretty much everyone - but creatures that have no feet, fists, heads, or any other means of making an unarmed attack, and therefore can't do an MBA, generally don't make interesting PCs. To make an RBA you need either some sort of an ammunition-launching weapon, or any object that can be thrown.)
Dual-wielding, for most characters, is simple in 4E. ANYONE can carry a one-handed weapon (including improvised weapons) in each hand, and use either weapon in any action that includes a weapon attack. There is no bonus or penalty involved.
Being able to use both weapons in one action is more complicated. First, it requires a power that says you can do so. As far as I can recall there are three classes with such powers: Fighter, Barbarian, and Ranger. Alternatively, a feat might do; I think that under certain circumstances a Rogue with certain Paragon feats can do it. Second, for most characters at least one of the weapons must have the Off-hand property, and if the power used distinguishes between the main weapon and the off-hand weapon then the weapon used as the off-hand weapon must have that property.
(Two-Weapon Rangers, Whirling Slayer Barbarians, and non-Ranger characters with the Two-Blade Warrior multiclass feat are exempt from the Off-hand requirement; the wordings of the exemptions are not the same and the differences have some consequences.)
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2 years ago ::
Sep 28, 2011 - 11:20AM
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Note: nothing stops you from describing the action however you want. You could flavour your attack as a single big stab with one weapon, or a flurry of dozens of tiny cuts, punches, kicks, headbutts etc etc with all your limbs, gear, weapons, hair, whatever. As long as you roll one attack roll, with one weapon, from a mechanical point of view.
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