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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 9:23PM
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Legends and Lore
Very Perceptive
by Monte Cook The players (through their characters) are moving through the fictional world and need to know what it's like and what the consequences of their decisions and actions are. The DM is managing the fictional world. But how is that information conveyed? How does he know what to tell and what not to tell? Talk about this column here. 
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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 9:33PM
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I prefer Passive Perception vs DC than rank personally. Passive Skill Check vs DC is easy and extrapolable....Passive History, Passive Arcane, Passive Insight, Passive Streetwise to tackle on some information gathering etc...
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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 9:35PM
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I'm a huge fan of unified mechanics. Unless you can find a way to use the ranks described in combat as well, i'm not sure there is value added in breaking the system into pieces.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 9:37PM
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So...he wants to replace Passive Perception with what he likes to call "Passive Perception". Can't wait to see what other groundbreaking ideas he has in store for us.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 9:44PM
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Mar 22, 2011
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I don't understand how this differs substantially from what we have. While Ranks are a new idea, the idea of comparing one thing (Rank or Passive Perception Score) versus a known difficulty ("difficulty rank" vs Skill Check DC), there's almost no difference. I almost feel like Cook doesn't know Passive Perception and Passive Perception DCs already exist.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 9:48PM
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No disrespect to Mr. Cook, but I don't see much of a difference or advantage to his proposition versus what we already have in 4e. I'll re-read it again to make sure I'm not missing something beyond the surface.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 9:56PM
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"Imagine, then, if the rules of the game allowed each character to have a ""rank" " that indicated how perceptive they were, and if all the hidden things had a rank as well. You could quickly and easily compare the ranks. If the character's rank was equal to or higher than the rank of the secret door or other hidden thing, he could find it [. . .] because it was easy for him. No die roll needed. He can just do it because he's very perceptive. If the rank of the hidden thing was higher, though, he could still try to succeed at a die roll."
this sounds exactly like the current passive perception, which i much prefer.
4e did a great job of elegantly utilizing the d20 mechanic for many important aspects of the game, including resolving skill or ability checks. mr. cook, please do not dismantle our unified approach by replacing a d20 application with your nond20 "expert" mechanic.
on the other hand, i very much like the idea of distilling skill checks down and into ability checks; thus, removing an unnecessary layer of the game, imo.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 10:08PM
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I don't see alot of difference between "rank" and "skill". I mean, my avenger has a "rank" 30 in perception.
Not that I would have a problem with a smaller range. Say.. 1-10 + d4, rather then 1 - 50 + d20.
I'd also like to see less of it based on stats.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 10:16PM
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Mar 22, 2011
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If only "ranks" were the idea Monte was proposing, and not what he likes to call, "Passive Perception."
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8 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2011 - 10:17PM
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Sep 22, 2006
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Monte knows he's written for 4e now, doesn't he?
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