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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 10:18PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 21, 2006
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I am playing a one shot game this week with my normal group (middle optimization most times, because two of us read this board) and our game is a one shot 21st level game. I asked if I could make all the characters, but most have decided to make their own. As I said, not very optimized.
The DM we play with can and will make fully deadly (by this boards counts even...) encounters when he wants, and I fear my fellow players will die fast and hard.
I am going to play a somewhat optimized leaderlord (maybe a hint of hitting for damage, I will be a leader) at 21 from the great LDB "Chasing Glory" thread.
However, while giving attacks will be fun, a leaderlord is being shoved onto a player who likes to play a controller. I remember a thread that made dragonbreath a very nice thing, with a bunch of feats to help.
I can post my whole build, but it is leader/strikerlord, not great optimized stuff. I want to be a leader/dragonborn breath guy.
What I would like is the best/most useful dragon breath info. I have five feats left open.
We have a Vampire and a Cavalier so far. One has already sent the DM a question asking what he can do better with his character (apparently besides choosing vampire!).
Perhaps killing the players in my group isn't so hard. Help me save them!?
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 10:27PM
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Best Dragon Breath info: Play a full-class Sorcerer.
Really, it usually isn't worth investing resources to buff an encounter power you only get to use (by its nature) once per encounter. There are two types of Dragonbreath optimization: None because why? and making it effectively at-will then adding **** onto it till you run out of feats.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 10:37PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 21, 2006
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I remember seeing a thread about optimizing the breath, largely because my buddies like it, optimizing or not. There was a thread that figured out every good thing about it, I wanted to play that character, given a one shot.
I won't be a sorceror, but a warlord. I appreciate your class change suggestion.
If I want to be a warlord dragonborn, and find a usefull group of feats, would Multiclassing as a Sorceror be useful?
I wouldn't mind a Sorceror for my breath, will that help?
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 10:46PM
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No. You need to be a full class Sorcerer or a hybrid to recharge it and, again, it really isn't worth investing when it is only a once (at most twice) encounter resource. The Dragonbreath build is based around a Sorcerer only feat that requires a class feature to take, so you have to be a Sorcerer. And it isn't a build that is effective if you dabble in it, that is all you'll be doing and every choice you make will in some way contribute to it.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 11:00PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 21, 2006
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Thanks for the info.
Back to lazy lord tactics.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2011 - 9:22PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 23, 2008
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There is a martial epic feat that says when you kill something you regain your breath. I've seen it used frequently enough to justify a couple feats to buff it up.
I recommend acid for -5 to all defenses, very leadery power. Pick avatar of IO and get some extra damage type stuff. Throw on MC cleric/paladin and radiant breath then go how wild with that reagent that administers radiant vulnerability 5 when you hit with a radiant power. Hurl breath for best effects, unless you think blast 3 will be sufficient. Ring of the dragonborn and a scepter of arkosia implies you only have a 1 handed weapon and no shield, which will hurt.
Warlord breath dragonborn is definitely doable. Minor action that takes down their defenses by 5 is superb for the nova round. The problem is accuracy which requires the scepter and some gold investment.
At will recharge is only doable with a dragon soul dragonborn sorcerer, but sometimes encounter/circustance refreshing is sufficent.
Another option to consider is the dragonfear power instead, which is a very leadery power (burst 5 enemies only. Hit: -2 attack + grant CA) all for a minor action. No more feats and cheese is necessary and gets you mostly there. Burst 5 means that someone will get hit.
DPR King Candidates 3.0How much damage should I shoot for?
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You're fired : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR
Fair Striker : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR
Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR
Nerfbat please : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR
It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR
DPR? KPR? KP4R? Bless you
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DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit
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KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds. How many standards can you kill in N rounds?
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2 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2011 - 9:26PM
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You have to reduce a non-minion to zero HP for that feat to work. And without any scaling the attack falls very far behind by epic (-3 relative to where it should be).
And you have to compare it to other options. It'd have to beat out the worst feat available to a Warlord... and Warlords (and all martial characters) get some kick ass feats at epic.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2011 - 10:12PM
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if you want to be very very chessy then all you need to do is be a sorc and take Ancient Soul, then cut yourself with a lightning dagger, while making your AC as low as possible so you only miss on ones.
you do a small amount of damage to yourself then regain breath and can then use it as a minor action on your turn.
there also is a paragon path that lets you regain it when you action point, so you can use it twice during the first two rounds of combat.
if you build your character around it you can get some crazy comtrol and good damge, like brokenly good
Insulting someones grammar on a forum is like losing to someone in a drag race and saying they were cheating by having racing stripes.
Not only do the two things not relate to each other (the logic behind the person's position, and their grammar) but you sound like an idiot for saying it (and you should, because its really stupid )
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2 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2011 - 10:22PM
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if you want to be very very chessy then all you need to do is be a sorc and take Ancient Soul, then cut yourself with a lightning dagger, while making your AC as low as possible so you only miss on ones.
you do a small amount of damage to yourself then regain breath and can then use it as a minor action on your turn.
there also is a paragon path that lets you regain it when you action point, so you can use it twice during the first two rounds of combat.
if you build your character around it you can get some crazy comtrol and good damge, like brokenly good
Um, that doesn't work. You can attack yourself, sure... but it is a standard to do so. There are no rules for cutting yourself and wasting a standard to recharge your breath while hurting yourself severely is not worth it.
The Infinite Dragonbreath build is heavily item dependent and at best does not do as much damage as other optimized builds (even Sorcerer ones) and it does so at the cost of dealing a lot of damage to itself.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2011 - 10:31PM
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if you want to be very very chessy then all you need to do is be a sorc and take Ancient Soul, then cut yourself with a lightning dagger, while making your AC as low as possible so you only miss on ones.
you do a small amount of damage to yourself then regain breath and can then use it as a minor action on your turn.
there also is a paragon path that lets you regain it when you action point, so you can use it twice during the first two rounds of combat.
if you build your character around it you can get some crazy comtrol and good damge, like brokenly good
Um, that doesn't work. You can attack yourself, sure... but it is a standard to do so. There are no rules for cutting yourself and wasting a standard to recharge your breath while hurting yourself severely is not worth it.
The Infinite Dragonbreath build is heavily item dependent and at best does not do as much damage as other optimized builds (even Sorcerer ones) and it does so at the cost of dealing a lot of damage to itself.
sure its a standard action to attack yourself but then you can use your minor to attack. you attack yourself with a melee basic, useing a +1 weapon (or as low as you can get a verson of a weapon you are resistant too) and adding as little damage to the roll as possible. and you keep a bag of items and powers that give you temps and such, or just have a good healer.
in late paragon and epic the damage is good, but its a HUGE area like blast 6-8, you can hit everthing and with epic feats you can do things like daze, push con mod, slow, mark all at will.
in P1 the damage is so much as to not need a party, it was so big and the control even at that level is so good.
Insulting someones grammar on a forum is like losing to someone in a drag race and saying they were cheating by having racing stripes.
Not only do the two things not relate to each other (the logic behind the person's position, and their grammar) but you sound like an idiot for saying it (and you should, because its really stupid )
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