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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 8:34PM #1
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Basics: Epic Tiefling Paladin, already MCed Avenger for non optimization reasons (unchangeable), can easily be achieved with gear, but not currently an option. 


Avenues I've been thinking of: 

Secrets of Belial for Eyes of the Warlock, True Seeing, Unerring Something (SM lvl 10, AP)
Order Adept for True Seeing
Someway to get an arcane familiar w/o multiclassing for that familiar vision feat.

Any ideas on how to make my now permanently blind character work?
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 8:55PM #2
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Cast the remove affliction ritual. That's what it's there for.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 9:07PM #3
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Sep 4, 2011 -- 8:55PM, erachima wrote:

Cast the remove affliction ritual. That's what it's there for.




Knew I forgot something in the OP. This would be great, yes, but won't work in this particular case. Thank you, though. 

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 9:09PM #4
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Since your DM houseruled in permanent blindness, you'll need to ask him what his houserules are for overcoming it.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 9:11PM #5
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Sep 4, 2011 -- 9:07PM, stop-whining wrote:

Sep 4, 2011 -- 8:55PM, erachima wrote:

Cast the remove affliction ritual. That's what it's there for.




Knew I forgot something in the OP. This would be great, yes, but won't work in this particular case. Thank you, though. 




If he's invented a version of blindness that Remove Affliction doesn't work with (remove affliction is designed to work on anything short of death), then your answer is not finding some sort of mechanical work around but rather INVOKE PLOT DEVICE.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 9:14PM #6
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I don't see anything about remove affliction regrowing body parts like limbs. There's no houserule besides the logic of "no eyes = no vision." I understand waving the Plot Device wand would be easiest but that's not an option. The DM is not being unreasonable, this isn't some sort of quarrel. I'm asking for aid within the system. 
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 9:16PM #7
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Sep 4, 2011 -- 9:14PM, stop-whining wrote:

I don't see anything about remove affliction regrowing body parts like limbs. There's no houserule besides the logic of "no eyes = no vision." I understand waving the Plot Device wand would be easiest but that's not an option. The DM is not being unreasonable, this isn't some sort of quarrel. I'm asking for aid within the system. 




There are no rules for permanent blindness or removing limbs, therefore this is a houserule.  There is no way for your eyes to have been removed/injured/whatever.  There is no way, within the rules, for the injury that your character suffers from to have happened.  Your DM has gone outside the system, therefore we cannot give you aid from within the system.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 9:20PM #8
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There is nothing in the rules about dying from hunger, but that doesn't mean a ritual that creates a feast won't save you. Just because you don't know a way to do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 9:24PM #9
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Blindness is an effect. Remove Affliction "wipes away a single enduring effect afflicting the subject". Remove Affliction therefore cures blindness. This is the answer within the rule system.

If you want to argue intent, then realize that Remove Affliction is intended as the panacea to all such problems. It restores your physical form, whether you've been turned into a pig or a rock, it ends diseases, it ends curses, it ends "other effects". Loss of body parts is not a defined mechanical condition in the system, and therefore is not explicitly mentioned.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2011 - 9:24PM #10
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How long has your character had blindness?
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