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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:09PM #1
RuinsFate
Date Joined: Jan 24, 2010
Posts: 1,513
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...and when I say Rest of Us, sorry Hexblades, Warlock's Curse required. Oh, hello Radiant Mafia, yes, that new feat you ordered has arrived, just step right this way.

2cp for your thoughts?
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:17PM #2
saint-ch
Date Joined: Jan 9, 2010
Posts: 394
well it scales better and it saves some extra feats "Battle Caster Defense" for exemple.

all in all nice, with some minor drawback (in my specific case using spears and polarms)
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:20PM #3
Nabikasu
Date Joined: Sep 8, 2009
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I don't really want to be 'that guy' but... +2 to Arcana and Diplomacy, two skills you aren't very likely to use in combat, from making a combat attack?  And only on at-will or basic attacks.

Maybe I just haven't properly parsed that one.  But still, scales faster. 
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:23PM #4
Nyronus
Date Joined: Aug 4, 2008
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Aug 29, 2011 -- 9:09PM, RuinsFate wrote:

2cp for your thoughts?




wtf?

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To be slightly less facetious: The secondary benefits of these feats range from the uneeded (giving more damage to Radiant Mafia types was completely necessary) to the bizarre (Behold! through my mastery or arcane power and swordplay I will dazzle you with a display of of sword and spell more deadly than a beserker's rage and more graceful than ballet! So graceful in fact that each time I smack you I become more charming!), to the pointless (Congrat's Avengers! You now have twice as many reasons to use those ranged powers. 'Course twice of zero is still zero). Also, apparently if you want to be an artificer and use something other than a wand, SCREW YOU! Rods are for LOSERS! Dwarven Rod Experise is... kind of pointless compared to just Rod Expertise and a Sword. Devoute Protector Expertise is waaaay to finicky, and I'm pretty sure the Ki Weapon feat is a functional reprint of Hero's of Shadow's Ki-Focus Experitse.

So, all in all... Ranger|Cleric/Morninglord dual-weilding Radiant Short-swords is looking to be a pretty Baus set up. 3+3+Wis+10 to all damage rolls and eternal combat advantage for the cost of an extra two feats? Sign me up.

I am a: Lawful Good Dragonborn Paladin
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:25PM #5
Lady_Auralla
Date Joined: Feb 27, 2010
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Aug 29, 2011 -- 9:20PM, Nabikasu wrote:

I don't really want to be 'that guy' but... +2 to Arcana and Diplomacy, two skills you aren't very likely to use in combat, from making a combat attack?  And only on at-will or basic attacks.

Maybe I just haven't properly parsed that one.  But still, scales faster. 




Either the character wants to apologize for beating the monster over the head or we are seeing the normal level of design skill that has been seen of late. 

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:31PM #6
saint-ch
Date Joined: Jan 9, 2010
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well for clerics some are awesome if you are using two handet weapon Mighty Crusader Expertise others are crap Devout Protector Expertise for what cleric is using a shield after BCL.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:32PM #7
Mengu74
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2007
Posts: 3,238
White Lotus Dueling Expertise - the +2 arcana/diplomacy is kind of funky. But I'll gladly grab it for my sorcerer. I'm trained in both and I've made both checks in combat before.

Eldritch Fusillade Expertise - huh, I've never seen anyone with a wand in one hand, crossbow in the other.

Dwarven Rod Expertise - weird, I'll stick with rod expertise 

Battle Song Expertise - all kinds of awesome, makes me giddy.

Devoted Priest Expertise - moar damage for the radiant abuser, just what we needed.

Devote Protector Expertise - talk about a fiddly bonus.

Mighty Crusader Expertise - err, because two handed weapon users make so many ranged attacks?

Hex Expertise - well, at least it works.

War Wizard's Expertise - Just what the swordmage needed... umm... or not. And even after the -4 damage, my sorcerer doesn't want to hit allies. Pointless for the Bladesinger. Not sure where they were going with this.

Weapon Ki Technique - only at-will attacks? Huh.

Many of these leave me scratching my head on design.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:34PM #8
embertiger
Date Joined: Jul 13, 2006
Posts: 520
Would have been nice to get something that worked for a hybrid character with a ranged weapon and a holy symbol.  My swordmage will take the +1 to hit with all of his powers, though I wish the fringe benefit would be something that matters.  Oh well, beggers can't be choosers.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:37PM #9
T_Baggins
Date Joined: Jul 14, 2007
Posts: 78
For any D&D employee reading this, copy/paste this into the next update:

"All expertise feats now scale properly. All expertise bonuses increase to +2 at 11th level and +3 at 21st level."
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 9:38PM #10
RuinsFate
Date Joined: Jan 24, 2010
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Mengu: Eldritch Fusillade is for Artificers using Master's Wands, Mighty Crusader screams 'Battle Cleric', and Weapon Ki was probably made for the Executioner.

Personally, I would like WLDE to have a 'better' 2ndary, but it's not bad (And decent enough if you're a Sage of Ages)
A Beginners Primer to CharOp.
Archmage's Ascension - The Wizard's Handbook.
Let the Hammer Fall: Dwarf Warpriest/Tactical Warpriest/Indomitable Champion, a Defending Leader.
Requiem for Dissent: Cleric/Fighter/Paragon of Victory Melee Leader
Ko te manu e kai i te miro, nona te ngahere. Ko te manu e kai i te matauranga e, nano te ao katoa.

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