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2 years ago :: Aug 30, 2011 - 8:21AM #11
Fardiz Date Joined: Dec 22, 2010 Posts: 2,194	ShakaUVM's sorcerer\|barbarian - community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... has an AC of 71 all day long. Back to Basics - A Guide to Basic Attacks You might be playing DnD wrong if... "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
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2 years ago :: Aug 30, 2011 - 8:44AM #12
undeadpool Date Joined: Jul 15, 2010 Posts: 1,000	Aug 30, 2011 -- 8:21AM, Fardiz wrote: ShakaUVM's sorcerer\|barbarian - community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... has an AC of 71 all day long. but its a level 30 only build.... however a hybrid sorcerer barbarian with barbarian armored agility will have defender style AC because they get to use their strength modifier in place of dex for AC determination, this is 18-19 AC at level 1 normally, and it will go up at a fast clip as well as encounters and utilities that boost defenses. like sudden scales, fog form, wellspring of renewal or relentless surge if were talking heroic this class becomes a great striker with great AC, fort and will
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2 years ago :: Aug 30, 2011 - 9:02AM #13
kilpatds Date Joined: Nov 23, 2003 Posts: 4,967	Conlocks can be surprisingly durable. Conlocks that get perma-stealth are just silly. Ye-olde infernal hexhammer gets a steady supply of temps, has more surges than any use for, a fair number of HP just from being Con-primary, and access to a number of temp-hp granting powers. You've also got tools to crank away at your armor class and other defenses. "Nice assumptions. Completely wrong assumptions, but by jove if being incorrect stopped people from making idiotic statements, we wouldn't have modern internet subculture." Kerrus Practical gameplay runs by neither RAW or RAI, but rather "A Compromise Between The Gist Of The Rule As I Recall Getting The Impression Of It That One Time I Read It And What Jerry Says He Remembers, Whatever, We'll Look It Up Later If Any Of Us Still Give A Damn." Erachima
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2 years ago :: Aug 30, 2011 - 3:28PM #14
Dragvandil13 Date Joined: Jul 27, 2009 Posts: 395	Aug 30, 2011 -- 8:44AM, undeadpool wrote: Aug 30, 2011 -- 8:21AM, Fardiz wrote: ShakaUVM's sorcerer\|barbarian - community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... has an AC of 71 all day long. but its a level 30 only build.... however a hybrid sorcerer barbarian with barbarian armored agility will have defender style AC because they get to use their strength modifier in place of dex for AC determination, this is 18-19 AC at level 1 normally, and it will go up at a fast clip as well as encounters and utilities that boost defenses. like sudden scales, fog form, wellspring of renewal or relentless surge if were talking heroic this class becomes a great striker with great AC, fort and will how does one accomplish this. @@ I have mostly ignored making Hybrid Char's but this might be worth it. my handbook Show Live for the Kill
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2 years ago :: Aug 31, 2011 - 9:19PM #15
Rhohn Date Joined: Sep 23, 2009 Posts: 71	Cheesy and gimmicky, but I love this build. Not my idea by a long shot - but I took the base build for my Avenger, and adapted it. Never have used it in a campaign (the look DMs get on their face!), but I've played it at the table in "one offs" with my son and his friends at home. It rocks, 'nuff said. Of course, you can change some powers and maybe some equipment, but I wouldn't go too far astray. This guy just gets stronger and stronger the more you knock him down to bloodied, 0 hp, or below. Any one who stands next to him will be punished hard, without the Avenger even hitting him. Swap out your lev29 power for Temple of Resolution and keep your Oath target there for even more dmg mahem. = = = = = = Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder = = = = = = Venn D. Etta, level 30 Revenant, Avenger, Horizon Walker, Raven Consort Build: Pursuing Avenger Avenger's Censure Option: Censure Of Pursuit Versatile Expertise Option: Versatile Expertise (Axe) Versatile Expertise Option: Versatile Expertise (Holy Symbol) Outlaw level 5 Feature Option: Forest Choose your Race in Life: Shadar-Kai Auspicious Birth (Auspicious Birth Benefit) Theme: Outlaw FINAL ABILITY SCORES STR 12, CON 17, DEX 24, INT 12, WIS 26, CHA 10 STARTING ABILITY SCORES STR 10, CON 11, DEX 14, INT 10, WIS 18, CHA 8 AC: 45 Fort: 39 Ref: 43 Will: 47 HP: 217 Surges: 10 Surge Value 62 TRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +27, Athletics +21, Perception +28, Religion +21, Stealth +27 UNTRAINED SKILLS Arcana +22, Bluff +15, Diplomacy +15, Dungeoneering +23, Endurance +20, Heal + 23, History +16, Insight +23, Intimidate +25, Nature +23, Streetwise +17, Thievery +22 POWERS Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack Outlaw Attack: Surprise Attack Revenent Utility: Dark Reaping Avenger Feature: Abjure Undead Avenger Feature: Divine Guidance Avenger Feature: Oath of Enmity Hunter's Quarry Power: Hunter's Quarry Avenger Attack 1: Overwhelming Strike Avenger Attack 1: Radiant Vengeance Avenger Utility 2: Resonant Escape Religion Utility 6: Deliverance Of Faith Horizon Walker Attack 11: Worldly Strike Horizon Walker Utility 12: Fey Strider Avenger Attack 15: Aspect Of Fury Avenger Attack 15: Inescapable Justice Avenger Utility 16: Refire The Forge Avenger Attack 17: Vengefuly Parry Avenger Attack 17: Lethal Intercession Horizon Walker Attack 20: Elemental Chaos Smite Avenger Utility 22: Indomitable Resolve Avenger Attack 23: Sacred Arena Raven Consort Utility 26: Vitality Eternal Avenger Attack 27: Inevitable Endurance Avenger Attack 29: Merciless Nemesis FEATS Level 1: Weapon Proficiency (Execution Axe) Level 2: Weapon Focus (Axe) Level 4: Versatile Expertise Level 6: Unarmored Agility Level 8: Melee Training (Wisdom) Level 10: Warrior Of The Wild Level 11: Painful Oath Level 12: Improved Defenses Level 14: Fierce Vitality Level 16:Stormhawk's Vengeance Level 18: Restless Dead Level 20: Reserve Maneuver Level 22: Halo Of Warding Level 24: Slashing Storm Level 26: Superior Initiative Level 28: Superior Will Level 30: Ghostly Vitality ITEMS Adventurer's Kit Potion Of Healing (Heroic tier) Ring of Circling Fangs (paragon tier) x 1 Belt of Sonnlinor Righteousness (epic tier) x1 iron Armbands of Power (epic tier) x1 Bloodthread Mindpatterned Armor +6 x1 Strikebacks (heroic tier) x1 Life Charm +6 x1 Boots of Teleportation (epic tier) x1 Siberys Shard Of Radiance (epic tier) Shadow Band (epic tier) x1 Crown Jewel of Chessenta Symbol of Scorned Fate +6 x1 Rending Execution Axe +6 x1 Iron of Spite (epic tier) x1 Resurgence Tatto (epic tier) x1 = = = = = = End = = = = = =
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2 years ago :: Sep 01, 2011 - 2:40PM #16
Barbaroi Date Joined: May 25, 2010 Posts: 16	From my experience- Avenger, Con Warlock, Monk, Barbarian if you pump THP. I say Avenger first cause its easy to isolate youself from enemies and punish the ones who try to attack you.
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2 years ago :: Sep 01, 2011 - 4:07PM #17
The_Crimson_Dawn Date Joined: Oct 2, 2005 Posts: 2,548	Aug 30, 2011 -- 3:28PM, Dragvandil13 wrote: Aug 30, 2011 -- 8:44AM, undeadpool wrote: Aug 30, 2011 -- 8:21AM, Fardiz wrote: ShakaUVM's sorcerer\|barbarian - community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... has an AC of 71 all day long. but its a level 30 only build.... however a hybrid sorcerer barbarian with barbarian armored agility will have defender style AC because they get to use their strength modifier in place of dex for AC determination, this is 18-19 AC at level 1 normally, and it will go up at a fast clip as well as encounters and utilities that boost defenses. like sudden scales, fog form, wellspring of renewal or relentless surge if were talking heroic this class becomes a great striker with great AC, fort and will how does one accomplish this. @@ I have mostly ignored making Hybrid Char's but this might be worth it. Shaka can also show you how a normal sorc can be very good at defense. I believe draconic has most of the boosts if I recall correctly.
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2 years ago :: Sep 03, 2011 - 12:01PM #18
furious_kender Date Joined: Oct 25, 2007 Posts: 2,129	Avengers are 1 on 1 strikers. They are survivable,but if you crowd then they're screwed as they lose their striker feature. I have killed a couple avengers that way. Monks, of all kinds, can push defences through the roof. Monks are made to fight surrounded,so they are very different than other strikers. Iron soul get more surges, but they are the only monks with a bad NAD. Barbs with dex also can be very survivable. Halfling barb/fighters can get some sick ac. I have dropped a lot of con based barbarians. Blackgaurds using a shield also are highly survivable out of the box. They are paladin with more damage and no marks, and they play like that. Vampires also are very survivable, but they have poor damage past low heroic. Con based warlocks, especially infernal pact warlocks are also extremely durable. They may or may not have great defenses depending on the build, but the large thp amounts and the ability to go ranged makes them hard to kill regardless. My Monk Handbook
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2 years ago :: Sep 04, 2011 - 9:17PM #19
Elder_basilisk Date Joined: Dec 16, 2005 Posts: 2,524	Lord Duskblade's Trailblazer build is very survivable while still dishing out the damage. community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... here's a link to the more detailed description: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... If you wanted even more survivability, you could go for a strength/con version with craghammers and hammer rhythm. It would sacrifice some punch and defense, but the hp and surges would add up to some fairly impressive survivability.
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2 years ago :: Sep 05, 2011 - 12:16AM #20
Rhohn Date Joined: Sep 23, 2009 Posts: 71	Sep 3, 2011 -- 12:01PM, furious_kender wrote: Avengers are 1 on 1 strikers. They are survivable,but if you crowd then they're screwed as they lose their striker feature. I have killed a couple avengers that way. . Hmm....do you really understand what that build does?
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