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2 years ago ::
Sep 05, 2011 - 9:33AM
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A Rogue's hit points and healing surge count is too low to go on any "most survivable" list.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 06, 2011 - 11:07AM
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Avengers are 1 on 1 strikers. They are survivable,but if you crowd then they're screwed as they lose their striker feature. I have killed a couple avengers that way. .
Hmm....do you really understand what that build does? 
I think you thought I was talking about your revenant build. I wasn't. Of course I know that revenant are cheesy broken undead win regardless of their class.
I was talking about avengers that can die, and particularly about the two I've killed when DMing in LFR. Avengers have powers that allow them to escape and move around without provoking. If you crowd them, and the player didn't take some of these powers (and a lot of normal lfr players don't) and didn't invest a ton in defenses (again, a lot of normal lfr players don't), then they lose their striker mechanic and quickly get pummled to death as they can't win the 2 (or more) on 1 damage race. Of course, you can make survivable avengers (like LDB's old master of defense build), but that isn't what I've seen in play.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 06, 2011 - 12:24PM
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Ah, since the topic was about survivable strikers, I just assumed you were, sorry! Not to derail this thread, but what level were those 2 Avengers? There are literally dozens of ways to avoid those results. I know my Avenger has always made anyone not his Oath target regret (hard!) coming after him (and at lev21 with Halo Of Warding, it really becomes dangerous for them!). I use a Knockback hammer with the Hammering Iron feat. Were those 2 players unfamiliar with the Avenger? That would explain a lot. Anyways, sorry about the misunderstanding. Cya.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 07, 2011 - 1:42PM
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Battlerager Vigor Fighter
level 8
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Chainmail
Mordenkrad
Throwing Hammers
Crushing Surge
Brash Strike
Crushing Blow
Insightful Strike
Echoing Assault
Villains Menace
Comet Fall Charge
Horned Helmet
Avalanche Hammer
Meliorating Armor
Goblin Stompers
Bracers of Mighty Striking
Dwarven Weapon Training
Devoted Challenge
Weapon Focus
Potent Challenge
Student of Divine Runes
It's just STUPID the damage this build can deal and with the ability to pop 2 surges as minor actions it make taking the charactor down REALLY hard. Plus he's using a FIGHTER MARK to deal even more damage when it's not his turn and this isn't some feather weight D10 + 7 or what most basic melee attacks dish out this is a SERIOUS beating. +2 for the Bracers + 8 from the feats +5 for strength +2 because the charactor is in chainmail and using a +1 magic hammer. That's 2D6 + 18 WITH A COMBAT CHALLENGE, 5D6 +12 on a charge with a basic melee, and Echoing Assault is no slouch either granting a FREE basic melee attack if the target of the attack is adacent to the charactor at the start of the turn. It's WIN WIN violate the mark POUND HIM don't and get two attacks next turn for a total of like 6D6 + 27 damage.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2011 - 8:59AM
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Date Joined:
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Dwarven Weapon Training
Devoted Challenge
Weapon Focus
Potent Challenge
Student of Divine Runes
The bolded feats don't stack, as they are both feat bonuses.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2011 - 1:03PM
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Dwarven Weapon Training
Devoted Challenge
Weapon Focus
Potent Challenge
Student of Divine Runes
The bolded feats don't stack, as they are both feat bonuses.
Thanks what feat should take the place of Weapon Focus
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2 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2011 - 1:24PM
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Thanks what feat should take the place of Weapon Focus
I'd recommend bludgeon expertise.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2011 - 1:59PM
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Thanks what feat should take the place of Weapon Focus
I'd recommend bludgeon expertise.
Say that is pretty good and it would apply to the Throwing Hammers too 
It also retains the viciousness of the build
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2 years ago ::
Sep 12, 2011 - 12:45PM
#29
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2003
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Not the biggest damage dealing striker, but a monk can easily have the highest defenses. My monk, at 30th level, will have:
50 AC (Okay, that's including the new Elven Chain Shirt from Mordy, but still....)
45 FORT
51 REF
50 WILL
(Alternately, AC could be 51 with a 49 Will, based on armor choice)
This is pretty costly in terms of feats, but still, it's pretty darn high across the board. Can it be beaten... I am not sure? Maybe, but probably not across the board.
Plus, as a bonus: amazing mobility. With equipment, he has Fly speed, Burrow Speed (one encoumnter per day), Swim Speed and Climb Speed. Also, Speed 10. Plus, as Grandmaster of Flowers, at 30th level:
Your movement never provokes opportunity attacks, and when an effect allows you to shift, you can instead move your speed. You ignore difficult terrain. You can move across and end your movement on any vertical or liquid surface. Finally, whenever you walk, run, or charge, you can spend any or all of that movement flying. If you are still flying when you end this movement, you land safely in the nearest unoccupied space.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2011 - 9:48AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 28, 2010
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I usually play a halfling thief optimized to take advantage of his racial second chance power. I have survived many battles as a ranged striker without taking a single hit, even when most others in the party were bloodied or unconscious. I believe a halfling thief can be quite survivable if second chance is optimized. Also, the thief has many escape-type powers such as "Slip Aside" and "Cunning Escape" which boost your defenses or allow you to take half damage from attacks against AC or Reflex.
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