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2 years ago ::
Sep 22, 2011 - 12:13PM
#101
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Most gaming stores that I have encountered (and all of the ones in my current city) do nothing to prepetuate the hobby. They are exclusive clubs that cater to their regulars and are either indifferent or outright hostile to newcomers or even casual visitors. Also, since they are generally running close to broke, they are generally in out-of-the-way places with little or no foot traffic, so cold walk-ins are pretty much nil. What brings new people into the hobby are individual gamers and their groups. If Wizards wants the industry to grow beyond word-of-mouth, they are free to do some advertising in mainstream media to increase awareness, but restricting sales to gaming stores isn't the answer. All it does is alienate people in rural areas, abroad, and in cities without a gaming store. Worse, it may prevent them from buying the book at all, which hurts the industry as well as gamers.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 22, 2011 - 12:25PM
#102
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Most gaming stores that I have encountered (and all of the ones in my current city) do nothing to prepetuate the hobby. They are exclusive clubs that cater to their regulars and are either indifferent or outright hostile to newcomers or even casual visitors.
I have seen quite the opposite in my area stores. Maybe there are just less friendly people in your neck of the woods.
All it does is alienate people in rural areas, abroad, and in cities without a gaming store.
This has already been proven to be completely inaccurate in this thread. MME is most certainly available on the internet and can be shipped right to your door.
Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept. Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new. Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept. Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.
Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 22, 2011 - 3:32PM
#103
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All it does is alienate people in rural areas, abroad, and in cities without a gaming store. Worse, it may prevent them from buying the book at all, which hurts the industry as well as gamers.
See here, here and here.
And plz help stop this nonsense by not spreading it.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 22, 2011 - 3:35PM
#104
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Most gaming stores that I have encountered (and all of the ones in my current city) do nothing to prepetuate the hobby. They are exclusive clubs that cater to their regulars and are either indifferent or outright hostile to newcomers or even casual visitors. Also, since they are generally running close to broke, they are generally in out-of-the-way places with little or no foot traffic, so cold walk-ins are pretty much nil.
So, your game stores are run by terrible businessmen.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 23, 2011 - 3:54AM
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Sep 22, 2011
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Why is that?
Doess Amazon organizes encounters, provides space for groups to play, display banners on their homepage?
Because they have vastly larger exposure than any FLGS. I know people who are not the kind of people to go into gaming/hobby/comic stores who play D&D precisely because they saw it on Amazon and thought it sounded cool. If you want the hobby to be dominated and exclusive only to people who frequent the brick and mortar stores of this type then D&D will forever be religated to a subset of a fringe hobby (a large subset of that fringe to be sure). Amazon has done more to bring D&D into the mainstream than anything TSR, WotC or Hasbro has done to date including in store organized play.
Read my post, i wrote PARTNERS, not clients; as in members of the distribution chain.
Word-of-mouth, while indeed quite effective, is, for the most part, too slow; while the Internet has helped it (and social networks gave it a big boost), it also brought to the front a thousand other interests, each one bombarding us constantly.
Which is why publicity, which is done both by the publisher and the other members of the distribution chain, is still as valid today as it was before.
And as pointed out, those specialized venues can give much more airtime (to use an arcaic term, perhaps eyeballs is a better term) than a generic mega-online store like Amazon, which specializes in other approaches.
But only to people who are already disposed to visit those types of establishments. Amazon does far more than that by showing the product to people who aren't already gamers, hobbyists or comic book enthusiasts. I worked in a FLGS for years in High School and College. There was not a broad cross section of the general population coming into the store. I saw the same faces week after week with very little variation. Your premise is just plain wrong.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 23, 2011 - 3:57AM
#106
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Date Joined:
Sep 22, 2011
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Most gaming stores that I have encountered (and all of the ones in my current city) do nothing to prepetuate the hobby. They are exclusive clubs that cater to their regulars and are either indifferent or outright hostile to newcomers or even casual visitors. Also, since they are generally running close to broke, they are generally in out-of-the-way places with little or no foot traffic, so cold walk-ins are pretty much nil. What brings new people into the hobby are individual gamers and their groups. If Wizards wants the industry to grow beyond word-of-mouth, they are free to do some advertising in mainstream media to increase awareness, but restricting sales to gaming stores isn't the answer. All it does is alienate people in rural areas, abroad, and in cities without a gaming store. Worse, it may prevent them from buying the book at all, which hurts the industry as well as gamers.
This! Never in my years as a Comic/Gaming store clerk did I ever see anyone come in, look at the gaming racks, ask me what this was and purchase anything from the rack. The people coming in to buy D&D books were already gamers.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 23, 2011 - 4:02AM
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Sep 22, 2011
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All it does is alienate people in rural areas, abroad, and in cities without a gaming store. This has already been proven to be completely inaccurate in this thread. MME is most certainly available on the internet and can be shipped right to your door.
It most certainly has not been proven. You totally have discounted as irrelevant the inconvenience it still poses to people who now must go elsewhere (even elsewhere online) to get the book. If WotC decided they wouldn't allow your FLGS to carry a certain book, you would be up in arms, even if there was another store a short distance away where you could get the book (just without your DM discount). Amazon.com is my FLGS and it is alienating, and infuriating that I cannot give my favorite gaming store my business for this book.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 23, 2011 - 5:33AM
#108
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Please refrain from personal attacks and flaming, these are violations of the Code of Conduct. You can review the Code here: wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wizards.cfg...You are welcome to disagree with one another but please do so respectfully and constructively. If you wish to report a post for Code of Conduct violations, click on the “Report Post” button above the post and this will submit your report to the moderators on duty. Due to complaints received about this thread, I've closed it. The thread will be reviewed to determine if it should be permanently closed, re-opened, and/or a new thread or threads created in its place.
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