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Switch to Forum Live View Barbarian in Heavy Armor..... is it worth it?
2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 1:15AM #1
Dragvandil13
Date Joined: Jul 27, 2009
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title sums it up, my lower AC and such is kind of a bother at the moment. If I go for plate, I DO need quite a few feats, that won't be worthwhile compared to my hide armor until my plate.

I have upgraded my temp Hp on a kill, and if that solves the problem of me spending most of my time laying bloody on the floor and dying.. then great. ^_^ 

Alternative options are welcome. To add some perspective, my Dm is Minion happy, and my fatty to hit makes up some for my staggering damage being mostly ignored... but it does mean I can go snack on a minion now and then to buff my temp HP.
 
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 1:23AM #2
thespaceinvader
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No, not generally.  Just don't dump DEX.  No Barbarian should, even the ones for whom it's not nominally their secondary.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 1:28AM #3
Pluisjen
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Well if the character already exists then "don't dump Dex" won't really help. If you go heavy armor, I'd stick with Chain. You'll lose even more of your Ref (due to Agility not working anymore) but at least you'll get a few extra points.

Also if he's minion heavy consider picking up a Shout power, that'll let you clear them out easy and might prevent even more damage then +1 armor if it's them bashing you down. 
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 1:28AM #4
Dragvandil13
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Ok. My Dex is a 14, same as my Con, both of which I intend to bump at 4. At 8 Str, and Wis are getting a bump, and then at 11 Str, Dex, and Con will all go up.

And advice on not having my face used to mop up my own blood off the floor?
 
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 1:34AM #5
Dragvandil13
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Well, to put a specific example into perspective, we were clearing out a dungeon and we had quite a bit of area left to cover and I fell a minion, so i figured "This must be more rabble" and took my swift charge, and then took a move to get in posistion to chargae around a corner... unfortunately the heavy pike man also had the same idea, and as I approached I got skewered by one.

I still managed to slap out quite a bit of damage, but I went unconcious (and I recognize that part of my problem is charging TOO far into battle) once, and after slapping the big bad hard in the face with my daily power he slapped me down to dying. So i spent the second half of our boss encounter lying on the floor dying. 
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 1:38AM #6
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Well, partly it's down to tactics.  Barbarian powers lend themselves to charging off unsupported, which tends to get you killed - so the biggest piece of advice is: don't do that.  You don't always have to take the free charge.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 1:43AM #7
Dragvandil13
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So ignore my baser instincts. =P

But yeah I see how that can be problematic.  On the plus side this experience can be an interesting point in my Characters development. ^_^
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 5:44AM #8
tiornys
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Aug 16, 2011 -- 1:28AM, Dragvandil13 wrote:

Ok. My Dex is a 14, same as my Con, both of which I intend to bump at 4. At 8 Str, and Wis are getting a bump, and then at 11 Str, Dex, and Con will all go up.


This isn't what you asked about, but.... Don't do this.  Seriously.  At 4th, bump Str and Dex.  At 8th, bump Str and Dex.  At 14th, bump Str and Dex.  At 18th, bump Str and Con (only because you need 17 Con at epic for Second Skin, which you should plan on taking).  Then bump Str and Dex again at 24th, and at 28th go ahead and top off whatever is odd, prioritizing Str.

Never, never, never miss an opportunity to boost your primary stat.  It's just not worth it.  Even if you ignore half of my advice, I urge you to boost Str at every opportunity.

Boosting Dex and staying in light armor will ultimately get your AC to higher levels than you could achieve in heavy armor, thanks to Barbarian Agility and Second Skin.  Higher defenses will do far more to save you than the occasional extra 1-2 temp HP, especially at higher levels when you have 100 HP or more.  The Con-based boosts to various powers are rather weak, and most of the best Barbarian powers don't care about your Con in any case.  Even as a Rageblood, Dex just does more for you than Con.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 6:07AM #9
thespaceinvader
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Aug 16, 2011 -- 5:44AM, tiornys wrote:

Aug 16, 2011 -- 1:28AM, Dragvandil13 wrote:

Ok. My Dex is a 14, same as my Con, both of which I intend to bump at 4. At 8 Str, and Wis are getting a bump, and then at 11 Str, Dex, and Con will all go up.


This isn't what you asked about, but.... Don't do this.  Seriously.  At 4th, bump Str and Dex.  At 8th, bump Str and Dex.  At 14th, bump Str and Dex.  At 18th, bump Str and Con (only because you need 17 Con at epic for Second Skin, which you should plan on taking).  Then bump Str and Dex again at 24th, and at 28th go ahead and top off whatever is odd, prioritizing Str.

Never, never, never miss an opportunity to boost your primary stat.  It's just not worth it.  Even if you ignore half of my advice, I urge you to boost Str at every opportunity.

Boosting Dex and staying in light armor will ultimately get your AC to higher levels than you could achieve in heavy armor, thanks to Barbarian Agility and Second Skin.  Higher defenses will do far more to save you than the occasional extra 1-2 temp HP, especially at higher levels when you have 100 HP or more.  The Con-based boosts to various powers are rather weak, and most of the best Barbarian powers don't care about your Con in any case.  Even as a Rageblood, Dex just does more for you than Con.

t~



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2 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 6:39AM #10
GelatinousOctahedron
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Tiornys is right always bump strength.

With rageblood I would always make dex my secondary stat, but try to get a starting con of around 14-15.

Thaneborn is the only one where it is a tough call for me whether or not to make Cha a secondary stat with heavy armor.  But the one thaneborn I have actually played I ended up doing a dragonborn where I gave him a starting cha of 16 post racial and was planning to boost my 14 dex each chance.
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