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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 9:46AM #21
Jharii
Date Joined: May 3, 2008
Posts: 6,136
@Morandir62:
All you mentioned are inherent flaws or shortcomings with any VT.

DDI should be focusing on the community aspect of the VT as much as it focuses on the table itself.  They need to make it easier for DMs and Players to gather and group up.  Groups, blogs, shared resources, etc. will allow people to communicate more efficiently.  They have some of that here, but they need something more polished and user friendly and noticeable.  DMs also need to have incentive to run campaigns, not just one-shot sessions, and a socially focused site can be designed to put campaigns on display (DMs tend to like their work on display ).

D&D needs a well-connected community to succeed, the VT even moreso.
Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.

Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 9:53AM #22
Plaguescarred
Date Joined: May 12, 2009
Posts: 16,554
Very true frothy.  No shows are a plague. 

I really think that if the VT had just more Tiles & Tokens, and the possibility to share Adventure, Maps and PC again, a lot more would stick around.

They took these Features away and never put in more Tiles & Tokens yet so DM are left up with working their adventures from the group up (Like a D&D TT) and are stuck with a very limited set of aids and arts. If there more of them and it was more easy to build map and adventures, more people would use the VT than we already do. 

I just wish you guys all could get in by tomorrow so we start running games like crazy !



Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 10:16AM #23
Jharii
Date Joined: May 3, 2008
Posts: 6,136

Aug 7, 2011 -- 9:53AM, Plaguescarred wrote:

Very true frothy.  No shows are a plague. 

I really think that if the VT had just more Tiles & Tokens, and the possibility to share Adventure, Maps and PC again, a lot more would stick around.

They took these Features away and never put in more Tiles & Tokens yet so DM are left up with working their adventures from the group up (Like a D&D TT) and are stuck with a very limited set of aids and arts. If there more of them and it was more easy to build map and adventures, more people would use the VT than we already do. 

I just wish you guys all could get in by tomorrow so we start running games like crazy !


I'm looking for a campaign to be a part of.  The one-shots are just hollow to me.

But yes, it needs more resources.

Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.

Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 10:37AM #24
morandir62
Date Joined: Oct 25, 2006
Posts: 640

@Frothsof


Strangely enough Agonar had one of the replays that never happened; guess I was banned for having no VC (it really is a problem). 


The premise of the VT is to give DMs and Players in isolation to get together, as well as private friends, where the testing is failing to get the 10,000 interested is that the “Open Session” feature itself is not being used. 

  • Right now there is 1 VT game listed for “Open Session” and 4 in the Find a Campaign forum (without digging). 

Even with the VT feature you can still decline an invite to one on your banned list, so your reason for not using it is unjust in that sense. 


The fact that “Private” games will be available to the DM and their circle is not in question; it is the problem of the VT being used to bring isolated people together.  THIS is the reason I want the VT to succeed, I want to play with the unknown player.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 10:45AM #25
frothsof
Date Joined: Jun 4, 2010
Posts: 10,490

Aug 7, 2011 -- 10:37AM, morandir62 wrote:


@Frothsof


Strangely enough Agonar had one of the replays that never happened; guess I was banned for having no VC (it really is a problem). 


The premise of the VT is to give DMs and Players in isolation to get together, as well as private friends, where the testing is failing to get the 10,000 interested is that the “Open Session” feature itself is not being used. 

  • Right now there is 1 VT game listed for “Open Session” and 4 in the Find a Campaign forum (without digging). 

Even with the VT feature you can still decline an invite to one on your banned list, so your reason for not using it is unjust in that sense. 


The fact that “Private” games will be available to the DM and their circle is not in question; it is the problem of the VT being used to bring isolated people together.  THIS is the reason I want the VT to succeed, I want to play with the unknown player.




first, no offense, but i dont allow players with no voice on my tables either. a mic costs 10 bucks or less at walmart and is unfair to other players when you dont have one. the game moves slow enough without having to wait on someone to type. i suggest play by post game for those unwilling to buy a mic

it was experience that taught me not to just open games. players sign up but dont show up. this happened many times in many games, and as a result, a few bad apples spoiled it for everyone. many dms i play with agree they will never just open a game to the public. it sucks that some people are unresponsible, but it is what it is.

 many dms myself included will post a thread for players to post in to get an invite. it is clunky no doubt to have to do this but unfortunately there are a lot of sorry people in the beta. still, if you really want to play, check the forums daily and you should be able to find a game

as for the number of games right now, yeah basically few people are willing to dm. there was even a thread of 8 players recently asking for a dm. so many of us have suggested they invite the people that are posting wanting to play instead of just random. however, our voices are not being listened to

none of the major improvements that have been suggested have come to pass, save pc and monster import. tiles, uploading maps, adventure slots, are just a few of these. many testers dont even realize we used to be able to share adventures and save pcs to our cpus. these kind of things discourage dms from running games. my slots for saved adventuires have been full since they stopped letting us save them. if i make a new game, i have to delete something. so i just run one game now, instead of the multiple a week i used to do. blame wizards

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 10:45AM #26
Plaguescarred
Date Joined: May 12, 2009
Posts: 16,554

Aug 7, 2011 -- 10:16AM, Jharii wrote:

I'm looking for a campaign to be a part of.  The one-shots are just hollow to me.

But yes, it needs more resources.




I understand bro. 

I wish i could run more of a campaign but my schedule is very chaotic, thats why i run one shots mostly and have only 1 campaign. But running one shots has also the great thing of allowing me to meet and play with new people all the time which is fun too. Wink

Hey i always  invite you to my games. If you ever feel like hopping in one time, please do.  Ok i nor WoTC can guarantee you will have fun, but you will have a good laught XD

Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 11:05AM #27
morandir62
Date Joined: Oct 25, 2006
Posts: 640

Aug 7, 2011 -- 10:45AM, frothsof wrote:

first, no offense, but i dont allow players with no voice on my tables either. a mic costs 10 bucks or less at walmart and is unfair to other players when you dont have one. the game moves slow enough without having to wait on someone to type. i suggest play by post game for those unwilling to buy a mic



None taken, but if “failing to read” is enough to get a ban by your standards; then I should ban you too. 

  • As I mentioned before I have a mic and while it WORKS for Ventrilo and Skype it even works in DDO, the mic FAILS in the VT – not on one, but on three systems where it works just fine for other programs.

But making mistakes is human nature, so I will forgive and not ban you yet
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 11:09AM #28
Plaguescarred
Date Joined: May 12, 2009
Posts: 16,554
Did you check the Voice Options ?

Voice / Configure / Sound Output

And made sure you had the right one opted in ? Some are taken in charge by the Default System, others don't. Its a weird bug n your end though. In anyway, i would suggest you contact CustServ and give details of your machine. They might be able to help you.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 11:11AM #29
frothsof
Date Joined: Jun 4, 2010
Posts: 10,490

Aug 7, 2011 -- 11:05AM, morandir62 wrote:


Aug 7, 2011 -- 10:45AM, frothsof wrote:

first, no offense, but i dont allow players with no voice on my tables either. a mic costs 10 bucks or less at walmart and is unfair to other players when you dont have one. the game moves slow enough without having to wait on someone to type. i suggest play by post game for those unwilling to buy a mic



None taken, but if “failing to read” is enough to get a ban by your standards; then I should ban you too. 

  • As I mentioned before I have a mic and while it WORKS for Ventrilo and Skype it even works in DDO, the mic FAILS in the VT – not on one, but on three systems where it works just fine for other programs.

But making mistakes is human nature, so I will forgive and not ban you yet




youre close to making a good point here, except his table is titled "DO NOT JOIN!!! THIS IS NOT A GAME!!!!". with 10,000 + testers, i can afford to lose a few that dont read bold print table titles. doesnt bother me at all

i dont ban for no mic, i say 'you must have a mic to play'. this is just courtesy for others, nothing personal. when i say 'you must have a mic to play' its implied that it must be working. at least, i hope thats implied

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2011 - 11:29AM #30
morandir62
Date Joined: Oct 25, 2006
Posts: 640

Aug 7, 2011 -- 11:09AM, Plaguescarred wrote:

Did you check the Voice Options ?

Voice / Configure / Sound Output

And made sure you had the right one opted in ? Some are taken in charge by the Default System, others don't. Its a weird bug n your end though. In anyway, i would suggest you contact CustServ and give details of your machine. They might be able to help you.


Been there done that and still awaiting a reply (3months) (also blasted back with the survey response)

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