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2 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2011 - 9:01PM
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Jan 20, 2011
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When you charge or aop it says you use a melee basic attack, understood. But some powers say you may use this power in place of a charge or in place of an aop, does that mean if a power can be used in place of a melee basic attack it could be used for charging and aop'ing?
For example I think 'ensorcelled blade' says it can be used in place of a melee basic, so if you charge or aop can you use the ensorcelled blade power instead to attack with CHA vs AC instead of STR vs AC?
Thanks for any help.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2011 - 9:07PM
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May 12, 2009
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Yes it could. Powers usable as or usable in place of Ranged or Melee Basic Attacks can act as substitute whenever such Attack can be used.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago ::
Jul 25, 2011 - 4:55AM
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This is also why Eldritch Strike has so much lasting popularity, in case you were wondering.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 25, 2011 - 1:46PM
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And why Corellon and Oghma get worshipped more than Tempus now.... Power of Skill allows certain at-will powers (one each from Avenger, Cleric, Invoker and Paladin) to be used as a basic attack. And in order to take Power of Skill, you have to worship a deity of the Skill domain. 
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2 years ago ::
Jul 26, 2011 - 8:17AM
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Just to be clear. If an attack can be used in place of the MBA at the end of a charge, does NOT mean you can use it for other MBA's, like Opportunity Attacks.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 26, 2011 - 9:35AM
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Just to be clear. If an attack can be used in place of the MBA at the end of a charge, does NOT mean you can use it for other MBA's, like Opportunity Attacks.
That's correct. If it specifies "when Charging", then you need to be Charging to use it as an MBA.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 05, 2012 - 6:47PM
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Date Joined:
May 19, 2011
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Found this thread searching for info on Berserker powers, and it just made the level 17 Shoulder Slam my number 1 encounter power on my level 17 Dragonborn Berserker/Iron Vanguard Triple-headed flail wielder.
Using horned helm, vanguard weapon, Draconic Arrogance, and Iron Vanguard Trample, what was once a meager:
2[W]+25 +d6 +d8 push and 1[W]+14 secondary
Has now become:
2[W]+36 +d6 +3d8 push and prone and 1[W]+25 +2d8 prone secondary.
A 4d8+22 increase to what it was before beats out any other level 17 power, or any other encounter I have.
Berserkers and Barbarians have a buttload of powers you can substitute in for basic attacks when you charge. And being able to combine them with Berserker Fury when you're done acting as defender during the encounter is pretty nice.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 06, 2012 - 12:53AM
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Also worth noting that 'counts as' and 'can be used as' MBA/RBA powers are very different from 'can be used in place of' - the latter don't bbenefit from anything that triggers off the use of a basic attack, the former two do.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 06, 2012 - 2:39AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 19, 2004
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When you charge or aop it says you use a melee basic attack, understood. But some powers say you may use this power in place of a charge or in place of an aop, does that mean if a power can be used in place of a melee basic attack it could be used for charging and aop'ing?
For example I think 'ensorcelled blade' says it can be used in place of a melee basic, so if you charge or aop can you use the ensorcelled blade power instead to attack with CHA vs AC instead of STR vs AC?
Thanks for any help.
Something else to mention, which another posted did bring up as well, is that if they use the replacement it still counts as a charge.
For example a character with a str mod of 5 using horned helm, Vanguard weapon and Surprising charge using a Gouge would normally have charge damage like this:
2d6b1 (MBA) + 1d6 (Horned) + 1d8 (Vanguard) +2d6b1 (Surprising Charge) + 10 (5 of this is Str mod)
If that character uses boots of the mighty charge to replace the MBA he gets the following:
2d6b1 (Rain of Blows) + 1d6 (Horned) + 1d8 (Vanguard) +2d6b1 (Surprising Charge) + 5
2d6b1 (Rain of Blows) + 1d6 (Horned) + 1d8 (Vanguard) +2d6b1 (Surprising Charge) + 5
2d6b1 (Rain of Blows) + 1d6 (Horned) + 1d8 (Vanguard) +2d6b1 (Surprising Charge) + 5
Assuming he hits even twice it will be a significant amount of extra damage.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 06, 2012 - 10:52AM
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Jun 15, 2004
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Also worth noting that 'counts as' and 'can be used as' MBA/RBA powers are very different from 'can be used in place of' - the latter don't bbenefit from anything that triggers off the use of a basic attack, the former two do.
Right. The concensus is that if the power is worded as 'in place of', is not an MBA. However, if it is worded as 'Counts as' or 'can be used as' it is an MBA and is affected by anything that affects MBAs.
I'll add this to the forum FAQ.
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