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2 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2011 - 3:51PM #31
Cazzeo
Date Joined: Jul 3, 2008
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Yeah, that's a mistake... probably some others in here as well.  Should be morningstar by itself or mace+rhythm blade.  Need to go over the new expertise feats.

And, yes, I'm sure Battlemind and Warlock (which Mellored posted) can be used quite a bit as well.  I consider Invoker and Wisdom cleric to be the best examples, though, since they have the aoe dazes. 
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 30, 2011 - 3:23AM #32
Infernis
Date Joined: Jan 13, 2004
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Do you have an invoker only version?

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2012 - 12:23AM #33
Cazzeo
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Updated this build to use Mighty Crusader Expertise.  Now even Dizzying Mace builds don't provoke on ranged/area attacks (as if they needed to be made any stronger)...
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2012 - 10:13AM #34
zelink551
Date Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Never granting CA is so tempting...but this just sealed the deal for the morningstar
The Elemental Man (or Woman): A Genasi Handbook

The Warlord, Or How to Wield a Barbarian One-Handed

The Bookish Barbarian

Fardiz: RAI is fairly clear, but RAZ is different

That's right. Rules According to Zelink!

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2012 - 1:47PM #35
Cazzeo
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No reason you can't take Holy Symbol Expertise also... at least at 16 as a divine oracle when you start dazing yourself.  For low levels, Mighty Crusader is huge, though, works on your Eldritch Strike, your ToJ and Rain of Blood don't provoke, etc etc.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2012 - 2:20PM #36
zelink551
Date Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Even for non half-elves, it makes Brand of the Sun THE cleric at-will
The Elemental Man (or Woman): A Genasi Handbook

The Warlord, Or How to Wield a Barbarian One-Handed

The Bookish Barbarian

Fardiz: RAI is fairly clear, but RAZ is different

That's right. Rules According to Zelink!

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http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28317541/Barfcheeze_help?pg=1

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2012 - 8:40PM #37
Cazzeo
Date Joined: Jul 3, 2008
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With its inclusion in the Elysian Fields thread, I thought I'd do my best to update this.  I know next to nothing about epic play, really, so probably missing some items.  There are lots of ways to approach Headspin, so I just picked one and built it.  Open to suggestions of things I got obviously wrong.

Updated theme to Knight-Hospitaler, changed the race to human (which I think after playtesting is surprisingly better than half-elf), and added a level-by-level breakdown.  (I admit I crapped out a bit at 26-30... the build is really optimal only through early epic or so). 
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 1:10PM #38
GelatinousOctahedron
Date Joined: Jun 30, 2008
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I don't think its worth swapping out superior will for healers implement, especially for a divine oracle.  Am I missing some other way you are saving vs daze at the beginning of your turn?

Outlaw is another theme to mention.  Not really the best choice most of the time, but it lets you daze with brand of the sun if you have CA.

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 3:26PM #39
Cazzeo
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Circlet of Arkhosia is acquired at 14, negating the need for Superior Will.  It's a rather common trick; MWaO uses it in Illusion of Hope also iirc.  Obviously you keep Superior Will if you can't get the Circlet for some reason, or you want a Headband of Intellect or something.

Build feels a bit light on dazing at 11... Death Surge should maybe be retrained to Lightning Spike at 9 (other levels 10-12 all filled up with retrains already). 
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 6:38PM #40
zelink551
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I ditched death surge for Lightning Spike, exactly what Cazzeo did.
Also note that Dwarves and Muls have their own perks for this build, but half-elf and human are top tier. 
The Elemental Man (or Woman): A Genasi Handbook

The Warlord, Or How to Wield a Barbarian One-Handed

The Bookish Barbarian

Fardiz: RAI is fairly clear, but RAZ is different

That's right. Rules According to Zelink!

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http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28317541/Barfcheeze_help?pg=1

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