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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 1:32AM
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What an entertaining and original thread. In other news.
2nd Edition for ever. Freeeeedom
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 2:22AM
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*scratches butt and reaches for shadowrun 4a book*
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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 3:50AM
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I despise Essentials for returning things to what I consider the Dark Age of D&D, 3.5
I looked over the downloadable pregenerated characters for dark legacy of Evard, am I to understand that now all Martial classes have no attack powers? Seriously their dwarf fighter only has basic attacks supplemented by a power attack and some stupid looking stances. One of the reasons I came to 4th edition was bacause I hated that other classes were simply more powerful, like mages and priests, and now I see that 3.5 has put on the cloak known as essentials and snuck in to ruin this edition
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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 5:08AM
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Hello there.
Essentials and non-essentials are all 4e D&D.
The classes and feats presented in the Essentials line are new options to supplement the old options, and nothing more.
Blah blah blah spare us the old routine.
Yeah its the same game. So what? Doesn't mean we have to LIKE Essential as equally as Classic. I don't and the OP obviously doesn't, saying its all the same game won't make me like it better.
The OP didn't bring liking it into the conversation, and neither did I.
He asked facts, I answered facts - there is no need to post just to be incendiary towards those that don't share your opinion.
In other news, saying it's not the same game won't make me like it any less.
Careful, man. That much logic might be illegal on the internet. - Salla
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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 5:21AM
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I despise Essentials for returning things to what I consider the Dark Age of D&D, 3.5
I looked over the downloadable pregenerated characters for dark legacy of Evard, am I to understand that now all Martial classes have no attack powers? Seriously their dwarf fighter only has basic attacks supplemented by a power attack and some stupid looking stances. One of the reasons I came to 4th edition was bacause I hated that other classes were simply more powerful, like mages and priests, and now I see that 3.5 has put on the cloak known as essentials and snuck in to ruin this edition
Ok, soooooooooooooooooo.......don't play Essentials?
I mean, you don't have to use Essentials classes, unless you're playing in one of the organized play things that requires that you play with their pregen characters. The game I'm running has all pre-Essentials characters (well, except for the DMPCs I have to fill a role when a player is absent, but that's because Essentials classes are easy to run). I think that most organized play through the RPGA is "bring-your-own-character" too, with the exception being Encounters. I think, that is; I haven't done Encounters. Anybody willing to chime in on that?
But again, if you don't like Essentials, don't use it. Its just that simple.
edit: Thinking about it some more, if you hate playing a particular class, do you still play it? No? Same thing.
Gold is for the mistress, silver for the maid Copper for the craftsman, cunning at his trade." "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, "But Iron -- Cold Iron -- is master of them all." -Kipling Defenders: We ARE the wall! I've replaced the previous Edition Warring line in my sig with this one, because honestly, everybody needs to work together to make the D&D they like without trampling on somebody else's D&D. Miss d20 Modern? Take a look at Dias Ex Machina Game's UltraModern 4e! I am a hero, not a chump.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 5:43AM
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I despise Essentials for returning things to what I consider the Dark Age of D&D, 3.5
I looked over the downloadable pregenerated characters for dark legacy of Evard, am I to understand that now all Martial classes have no attack powers? Seriously their dwarf fighter only has basic attacks supplemented by a power attack and some stupid looking stances. One of the reasons I came to 4th edition was bacause I hated that other classes were simply more powerful, like mages and priests, and now I see that 3.5 has put on the cloak known as essentials and snuck in to ruin this edition
They're limited in options, but not less powerful. The Knight and Slayer are top performers at their roles, and they can pick up PHB1 Fighter encounter powers with Martial Cross Training.
I'm not a fan of the martial classes in essentials at all, really. However, I could never even consider calling them less powerful.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 6:03AM
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Personally I love the MBA/Stance Combinations. Much simpler classes and at least for me fun to play in epic.
 Never Point a loaded party at a plot you are not willing to shoot. Arcane Rhetoric. My Blog.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 6:23AM
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Personally I love the MBA/Stance Combinations. Much simpler classes and at least for me fun to play in epic.
I enjoy them as well... I actually prefer them because I don't like keeping track of resources (snaps me out of character just a bit more than I like), and will completely skip doing so if I can get away with it.
In my ideal RPG character powers only exist in at-will, encounter, and single-use expendable types.
Careful, man. That much logic might be illegal on the internet. - Salla
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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 7:40AM
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Personally I love the MBA/Stance Combinations. Much simpler classes and at least for me fun to play in epic.
I enjoy them as well... I actually prefer them because I don't like keeping track of resources (snaps me out of character just a bit more than I like), and will completely skip doing so if I can get away with it.
In my ideal RPG character powers only exist in at-will, encounter, and single-use expendable types.
I just don't like that they turned them into one trick ponies that are built around charging.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 11, 2011 - 7:47AM
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To the OP:
Your 4E is right where you left it, behind the wall of crap you have put up between you and it.
...whatever
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