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2 years ago  ::  Jul 06, 2011 - 5:51PM #491
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Jul 6, 2011 -- 5:32PM, Shasarak wrote:

Jul 6, 2011 -- 2:25PM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

The Essentials not-a-half-ed edition war has left blood in the water, so the 4e haters from the last edition war (which had hardly even reached a cease fire) are back, anxious to kick 4e while it's down, and maybe dance on its premature grave a bit.




For the love of Tiamat, it has been almost a year since Essentials was released, there is no more blood in the water, you just have to let it go!

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2011 - 11:22AM #492
Tony_Vargas
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Jul 6, 2011 -- 5:32PM, Shasarak wrote:

Jul 6, 2011 -- 2:25PM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

The Essentials not-a-half-ed edition war has left blood in the water, so the 4e haters from the last edition war (which had hardly even reached a cease fire) are back, anxious to kick 4e while it's down, and maybe dance on its premature grave a bit.




For the love of Tiamat, it has been almost a year since Essentials was released...


It's been 3 since 4e was released.  What's your point?

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2011 - 12:23PM #493
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Jul 8, 2011 -- 11:22AM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

Jul 6, 2011 -- 5:32PM, Shasarak wrote:

Jul 6, 2011 -- 2:25PM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

The Essentials not-a-half-ed edition war has left blood in the water, so the 4e haters from the last edition war (which had hardly even reached a cease fire) are back, anxious to kick 4e while it's down, and maybe dance on its premature grave a bit.




For the love of Tiamat, it has been almost a year since Essentials was released...


It's been 3 since 4e was released.  What's your point?




It means as time passes, saying "Essentials Sucks" means less and less every time you say it.

...whatever
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2011 - 12:27PM #494
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Jul 8, 2011 -- 12:23PM, thecasualoblivion wrote:

It means as time passes, saying "Essentials Sucks" means less and less every time you say it.



 
  So the longer we're without the computer tools we were promised 4 years ago, the less it means?

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2011 - 12:28PM #495
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Jul 8, 2011 -- 12:23PM, thecasualoblivion wrote:

Jul 8, 2011 -- 11:22AM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

Jul 6, 2011 -- 5:32PM, Shasarak wrote:

Jul 6, 2011 -- 2:25PM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

The Essentials not-a-half-ed edition war has left blood in the water, so the 4e haters from the last edition war (which had hardly even reached a cease fire) are back, anxious to kick 4e while it's down, and maybe dance on its premature grave a bit.


For the love of Tiamat, it has been almost a year since Essentials was released...


It's been 3 since 4e was released.  What's your point?


It means as time passes, saying "Essentials Sucks" means less and less every time you say it.


So no point then.  OK. Saying Essentials can't be have anything to do with a resurgence of 4e-hate in the past year, because it's been out a year is pretty silly.  But, if it's just a dig, well, OK, I'm used to the apologists and their cheap shots.

Love 4e?  Concerned about its future? Join the Old Guard of 4e

"You want The Tooth?  You can't handle The Tooth!"  - Dahlver-Nar.

"If magic is unrestrained in the campaign, D&D quickly degenerates into a weird wizard show where players get bored quickly"  - E. Gary Gygax
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2011 - 12:36PM #496
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Jul 8, 2011 -- 12:27PM, FFSAA wrote:

So the longer we're without the computer tools we were promised 4 years ago, the less it means?



Yes.

Also, complaints about the ad campaigns are pretty meaningless now.  Either they made you mad and you left, or you're still here.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2011 - 12:46PM #497
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Jul 8, 2011 -- 12:28PM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

Jul 8, 2011 -- 12:23PM, thecasualoblivion wrote:

Jul 8, 2011 -- 11:22AM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

Jul 6, 2011 -- 5:32PM, Shasarak wrote:

Jul 6, 2011 -- 2:25PM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

The Essentials not-a-half-ed edition war has left blood in the water, so the 4e haters from the last edition war (which had hardly even reached a cease fire) are back, anxious to kick 4e while it's down, and maybe dance on its premature grave a bit.


For the love of Tiamat, it has been almost a year since Essentials was released...


It's been 3 since 4e was released.  What's your point?


It means as time passes, saying "Essentials Sucks" means less and less every time you say it.


So no point then.  OK. Saying Essentials can't be have anything to do with a resurgence of 4e-hate in the past year, because it's been out a year is pretty silly.  But, if it's just a dig, well, OK, I'm used to the apologists and their cheap shots.




Essentials made some 4E fans angry, and PF/3E trolls reappeared to tap into the new anger and new reason to attack 4E and blow the whole thing out of proportion. Part of that is new hate, but from what I've seen on this forum its not the majority. That's your resurgence of 4E-hate right there, not new hate but the old hate being opportunistic.

Its been out half a year, and we've already heard it all. Essentials sucks is no longer new. Either you quit or its something you can deal with. Still complaining six months later is more bitterness than anything.

...whatever
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2011 - 1:53PM #498
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Alright all - I'm fairly certain the original question has been answered at this point, and letting this thread linger only gives another place for people to tell others that the edition/parts of D&D they like are wrong/bad fun so I'm closing down the thread.
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