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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 10:58PM #31
VorpalBunny
Date Joined: Oct 11, 2007
Posts: 105
Another thought: Ranger|Seeker, swapping out their ranger at-will for Clever Shot or Rapid Shot, making a pretty compitent controller.
Also note: the way the feat is worded now, it allows a Half-Elf Versitile master to pick it up
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 11:05PM #32
aldrendolarrah
Date Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Posts: 34
Call Celestial Steed: are you there?

(...)

Poor O-Paladin, he just wants his noble steed back

Also, a Versatile Expertise update with a proper tier scaling would have been a great add to this article...
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 11:08PM #33
Alandmj
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2010
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Finally no lame combined attack for sentinel, finally!
Finally it's a class fully functional!
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 11:09PM #34
psikus
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Date Joined: Jun 21, 2006
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Hybrid sentinel seems way off. Since normal sentinels only get 1 at-will (plus the companion's attack), you actually gain an at-will attack by going hybrid. That aside, they don't seem to lose much (or anything at all) in the transition from full class to hybrid: they have one healing word less (which they can get back by hybridizing with other leader), gain the natural cycle benefits, and have the full animal companion, which is, well, a beast. Lacking knacks is hardly an issue (and they can be gained back via feats), and the higher level features aren't much of a loss, either.

As painful as it sounds, hybrid sentinels should probably sacrifice their druid at-will, and have their animal companion diminished somehow. I'm not sure what would be the best solution, but the following options come to mind:
- Reduce companion HP (to surge value?)
- Limit in-combat companion resurrection (1/ encounter?)
- Reduce companion opportunity attacks (some penalty, or 1/encounter, maybe get full companion with hybrid talent) 

Also, weapon bonuses from Acolyte of the Natural Cycle should probably affect only druid powers, or require hybrid talent. Otherwise, dagger-wielding sentinel|rogues or greatspear-wielding sentinel|anything can become more accurate than the base classes.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 11:11PM #35
Alandmj
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2010
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Don't reduce hybrid sentinel. They are poor enough. Nerf rangers there, and warlords to your left..
Animal companion needs no nerf. Again they are already poor enough. You don't see Ranger's companion got nerfed to oblivion. The only nerf might be nature's cycle, which might be a hybrid talent.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 11:17PM #36
thecasualoblivion
Date Joined: Apr 1, 2007
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It seems like Hybrid Executioners, Blackguards, Cavaliers, and Sentinels can pick their At-Wills, Encounters, and Dailies from the parent class, not just from themselves.
...whatever
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 11:19PM #37
Kerrus
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Date Joined: Jan 29, 2008
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Well, right off the bat, I can see that MC warlocks who took pact initiate can get hexblade at-wills.
Oh Content, where art thou?
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 11:22PM #38
Alandmj
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MC Paladin and a full defending aura, speaking of cheesy...hello white lotus :3
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 11:22PM #39
psikus
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Blood Thirst feat doesn't seem to work. Multiclassing characters can't trigger Blood Drinker, due to lack of vampire at-wills. Should probably be changed so that Blood Drinker works with any at-will attack.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2011 - 11:24PM #40
thegoat999
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2009
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Its too bad Vampires dont have some sort of weapon attack. Then a Blackguard|Vampire could have some seriously epic Nova damage, stacking up all thier +damage features in one go.
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