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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 10:57AM
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Sep 13, 2005
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I couldn't find it with the search engine and in the update pdfs so here I am asking. When you use a power that has someone heal as though they spent a healing surge, does it actually trigger effects that go off when a healing surge is used?
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 11:12AM
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Jun 15, 2004
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When you use a power that has someone heal as though they spent a healing surge, does it actually trigger effects that go off when a healing surge is used?
Yup
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 11:22AM
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Dec 10, 2008
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Could you tell us which power you had in mind, specifically?
I was looking at Lay on Hands, for example, and it only says "Instead, the target regains hit points as if it had spent a healing surge." The target regains HIT POINTS as if it had - it doesn't say anything about allowing other effects that would be triggered by the target if it had spent a surge.
OD&D, 1E and 2E challenged the player.
3E challenged the character, not the player.
Now 4E takes it a step further by challenging a GROUP OF PLAYERS to work together as a TEAM.
That's why I love 4E.
"Your ability to summon a horde of celestial superbeings at will is making my ... BMX skills look a bit redundant."
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 11:27AM
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Feb 16, 2010
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Could you tell us which power you had in mind, specifically?
I was looking at Lay on Hands, for example, and it only says "Instead, the target regains hit points as if it had spent a healing surge." The target regains HIT POINTS as if it had - it doesn't say anything about allowing other effects that would be triggered by the target if it had spent a surge.
i think most of them are going to be worded this way, which would answer to the above question, "No". Usually its going to say "the target gains HP as if it had spent a healing surge", i have yet to see anything that would imply that affects would triger off it, as usually its just a healing action worded like above.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 11:33AM
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Oct 27, 2010
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Could you tell us which power you had in mind, specifically?
I was looking at Lay on Hands, for example, and it only says "Instead, the target regains hit points as if it had spent a healing surge." The target regains HIT POINTS as if it had - it doesn't say anything about allowing other effects that would be triggered by the target if it had spent a surge.
I think it also depends on what the OP means by "other effects." For example, if you have a Belt of Mountain Endurance (which specifically triggers on "When you spend a healing surge...") and your Paladin uses LOH on you while you're bloodied, I would assume you would still get the bonus hit points.
So, Lucas... can you also tell us what specific "effects" you had in mind?
loose [loos] vt. to let loose; to release; to unfasten, undo or untie; to shoot or discharge. lose [looz] vt. to come to be without (something in one's possession or care), through accident, theft, etc., so that there is little or no prospect of recovery; to fail inadvertently to retain (something) in such a way that it cannot be immediately recovered; to suffer the deprivation of. LEARN THE DAMN DIFFERENCE.The pen is mightier than the character builder. Copy this to your sig if you like 4e but don't use the CB. "OD&D, 1E and 2E challenged the player. 3E challenged the character, not the player. Now 4E takes it a step further by challenging a GROUP OF PLAYERS to work together as a TEAM. That's why I love 4E." -RedSiegfried
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 11:42AM
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Dec 10, 2008
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For example, if you have a Belt of Mountain Endurance (which specifically triggers on "When you spend a healing surge...") and your Paladin uses LOH on you while you're bloodied, I would assume you would still get the bonus hit points.
I'd have to agree because with LOH the target only gains hit points as if it (the target) had spent a healing surge. Other effects that are not gaining hit points are not mentioned. Since this belt allows you to get more hit points when you spend a surge, I'd allow it.
OD&D, 1E and 2E challenged the player.
3E challenged the character, not the player.
Now 4E takes it a step further by challenging a GROUP OF PLAYERS to work together as a TEAM.
That's why I love 4E.
"Your ability to summon a horde of celestial superbeings at will is making my ... BMX skills look a bit redundant."
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 12:11PM
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Sep 13, 2005
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There's a lot of powers that use that phrasing. I didn't have one in mind. I guess they picked an odd way to phrase it to make it sound like it triggers healing surge based effects ( by that I mean things that say when you spend a healing surge ), instead of just saying " You gain HP equal to your healing surge value. " Saying that it is like you spent a healing surge highly implies that other things that happen when a surge is spent also occur.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 12:17PM
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Apr 22, 2001
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There's a lot of powers that use that phrasing. I didn't have one in mind. I guess they picked an odd way to phrase it to make it sound like it triggers healing surge based effects ( by that I mean things that say when you spend a healing surge ), instead of just saying " You gain HP equal to your healing surge value. " Saying that it is like you spent a healing surge highly implies that other things that happen when a surge is spent also occur.
The difference being that it DOES trigger things that allow you to gain more hit points when you spend a healing surge- if you have something that says "regain 5 extra hit points when you spend a healing surge," you get those 5 extra hit points. That's why they don't just say heal your surge value; any healing you'd get by spending a surge, you get from those powers. Any non-healing effect you'd get from spending a surge, you don't get from those powers.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 1:36PM
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You do not get extra effects when you use a power that says you heal as if you spent a healing surge. This was shot down back when they changed Pacifist Healer to only apply to powers which you use to allow an ally to spend a healing surge. You do not get the Pacifist Healer benefit if you use the Cure line of powers since they do not allow an ally to spend a healing surge but it allows them to heal as if they spent a healing surge.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 1:44PM
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Nov 14, 2009
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Is there a rule that explicitly says healing as if you spent a healing surge is somehow not actually healing as if you spent a healing surge? I'm somewhat surprised by this, but my errata/FAQ fu is weak.
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