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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 9:23PM
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So essentially Pun-Pun was a super 4th edition Half-Elf with Super Dilettante, that he can also bestow upon other PCs if he so chooses. Cool. :P Glad Half-Elves arn't really like that. I think they're great just as they are, however :D Yay Helves!
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 9:31PM
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It's amazing how many threads these days end up with some remark linking LDB with godlike powers OUTSIDE of the...thread that will not be named 
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 9:41PM
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So essentially Pun-Pun was a super 4th edition Half-Elf with Super Dilettante, that he can also bestow upon other PCs if he so chooses. Cool. :P Glad Half-Elves arn't really like that. I think they're great just as they are, however :D Yay Helves!
Well, the Ability wasn't just for powers, it also permanently altered stats. :P
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 10:20PM
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Yea, that's pretty broken. I'm pretty thankful nothing like this exists in 4th edition.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 10:26PM
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You could get an arbitrarily high anything with that build. Set all your ability scores to whatever you want.
A random list traits pun-pun can acquire:
- no penalty for fighting with two weapons
- blindsense
- immunity to acid, cold, fire, lightning (might be one for sonic, I'd have to look harder)
- earth glide
- all-around vision
- invisibility
- immunity to magic
- destroy weapons that touch you
- regeneration
and that's just extraordinary abilities. Really, the sarrukh and its ability Manipulate Form are the culprits here. That effect was designed with no meaningful limitations whatsoever.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 10:34PM
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Also anything gods can do, arbitrary hit dice, the ability to cast spells at an arbitrary level, arbitrary line of sight and reach across all planes, etc. etc. etc.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 10:46PM
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Also, the ability to go first when you roll initiative. He doesn't roll, he go first period.
No spell resistance, no resistances or immunities, every spell of every level and iirc also limitless supernatural abilities.
Chauntea/Lathander/Torm Cleric since 1995 My husband married a DM - καλὸς καὶ ἀγαθός
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 11:03PM
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Really, the way Manipulate Form was worded also allowed Pun-Pun to grant powers that weren't in the books. So, basically, not nice. 
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 11:17PM
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What Eisenritter said. The ability to grant himself any ability written anywhere in the edition is powerful. Granting arbitrary levels of any stat he wants is impressive. But there are other characters who can do that, for the most part.
Pun-pun the kobold had all this, and he had the ability to grant himself any ability he could conceive of.
If you come up with a way to defeat Pun-pun, he simply gives himself the ability to not be defeated that way.
"I Win (Su): Pun-pun wins. Forever." <--perfectly rules-legal to give himself this ability.
As far as who would be able to create 4e pun-pun if it were possible (it's not), I'd like to point out that Khan the Destroyer, creator of pun-pun, is a contributor to the 4e forums as well :P
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 11:19PM
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Yes, but I think we all know that LordDuskBlade is more powerful than Khan The Destroyer. I have not seen the elusive Khan, yet LDB is a shining symbol to all!
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