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2 years ago  ::  Jun 22, 2011 - 10:00PM #41
Gadren
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Here's a level 30 build I'm working on, to compare the DPR of this class  to other strikers. I think it shows I need to scale back some things.  The level 30 DPR for this build is 126.27, which is a bit too good,  unless I made a mistake somewhere in my calculations?
Updated: Scaled back some powers a tiny bit.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2011 - 8:45AM #42
SongNSilence
Date Joined: Jun 16, 2007
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Jun 22, 2011 -- 10:00PM, Gadren wrote:

Here's a level 30 build I'm working on, to compare the DPR of this class  to other strikers. I think it shows I need to scale back some things.  The level 30 DPR for this build is 126.27, which is a bit too good,  unless I made a mistake somewhere in my calculations?




Good job, you should write an article for dragon ! Would love to see it as official material -> I already have a build in mind (avenger|arcane archer for avenger oath + oath for RBA feat, student of caipon and sage of ages -> 18-20 crit, roll thrice, hunt crits. Also, if enemy moves away, rba, if enemy attacks you rba )

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2011 - 9:33AM #43
Gadren
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Jun 25, 2011 -- 8:45AM, SongNSilence wrote:

Jun 22, 2011 -- 10:00PM, Gadren wrote:

Here's a level 30 build I'm working on, to compare the DPR of this class  to other strikers. I think it shows I need to scale back some things.  The level 30 DPR for this build is 126.27, which is a bit too good,  unless I made a mistake somewhere in my calculations?




Good job, you should write an article for dragon ! Would love to see it as official material -> I already have a build in mind (avenger|arcane archer for avenger oath + oath for RBA feat, student of caipon and sage of ages -> 18-20 crit, roll thrice, hunt crits. Also, if enemy moves away, rba, if enemy attacks you rba )



Hah, thanks. I have written an article for Dragon, just not about this
Unfortunately, Dragon would never accept something like this in the magazine. Not from a freelancer like me, anyway.
Keep in mind, I plan to tweak some of the power down a bit on this class (that DPR seems too high, I don't want this class to do better DPR and control than a ranger, that's imbalanced. I am trying to aim to have it do about 80-90% of the damage that an optimized ranger does and make up for it with its control abilities.)
I've just been busy. Chris Perkins is having me write another Dragon article, but unfortunately he wants me to set it in a campaign setting that I know very little about, so I've been busy studying up to learn what I need to know to write a solid piece. I'll come back to this and polish when I'm done writing my latest article.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2011 - 6:52AM #44
mhbjarkistef
Date Joined: Sep 6, 2010
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We would ALL love to see this as official stuff!
Good luck on the article, i'm looking forward to it. What's it about?

Also, I wold love to see a power that on-hit allows a teleport, either yourself, the enemy or an adjacent ally. I have not rememorized the entire class, is there perhaps already a power like that? That's just an effect I would love to see :D Being able to teleport yourself before and attack does wonders (like nimble strike for the ranger), and being able to teleport an would really make you popular within the group!

Look at my Playable Illithid, my Monster Generating excel file , my Lifestealer in progresss (Heroic tier almost complete!) , our Improved Orc, our Improving Kenku and our Improving Duergar
Also, take a look at my friend's Improved Minotaur, Gadren's amazing Arcane Archer and of course the Avatar Project
More links! Qube's Block Builder, Classless D&D and the characters I've created using the classless system.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2011 - 11:12AM #45
Chandrak
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Thanks for making this - great job. I was poking around on the forums looking for a replacement or houserule on the Seeker and found this. I'm impressed enough that I'll be making this instead

Though as we use Amethyst technology rules in our game, I'll be flavoring it into a technology-based class similar to Final Fantasy 6's Magitech. Power Armor Proficiency feat + Arcane Archer totally works.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2011 - 12:06PM #46
Gadren
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Here is an updated level 30 build, with DPR, encounter and daily Novas.
At-Will DPR is about the same as a ranger.
Encounter and Daily novas do less damage than a ranger (though still a lot), but are better at control (AOE's and lots of stunning).

Level 30 Build: Spoiler: Show

Level: 30
Race: Human (HoFK)
Class: Arcane Archer (Warlock)
Eldritch Pact Option: Star pact (AA)
Twofold Pact Option: Sorcerer-King Pact (DSCS)
Bow of Two Masters Option: Vestige Pact (AA)
Vestige Mastery: Ellyllon's Master Arrow
Paragon Path: Eldritch Fletcher (AA)
Epic Destiny: Arrow of Infinity (AA)
Background: Born Under a Bad Sign (D 366)

Ability Scores, with adjustments:
Strength 10 (+0)
Constitution 14 (+2)
Dexterity 14 (+2)
Intelligence 24 (+7)
Wisdom 12 (+1)
Charisma 26 (+8)

HP: 185 --> 12 base, +147 levels, +26 Charisma
Bloodied: 92 HP or less
Healing Surges: 14 --> 6 base, +8 Charisma
Healing Surge Value: 46 HP

AC: 45 --> 10 base, +15 levels, +4 armor, +6 enhancement, +7 ability   (Intelligence), +1 rod expertise, +2 bracers of arcane archery
Fortitude: 40 --> 10 base, +15 levels, +2 ability (Constitution), +6 enhancement, +1 racial, +4 feat, +2 bracers of arcane archery
Reflex: 43   --> 10 base, +15 levels, +7 ability (Intelligence), +6 enhancement,   +1 class, +1 racial, +1 rod expertise, +2 bracers of arcane archery
Will: 45 --> 10 base, +15 levels, +8 ability (Charisma), +6 enhancement,   +1 class, +1 racial, +2 lore, +2 bracers of arcane archery

Initiative: +17 --> +2 ability (Dexterity), +15 levels

Speed: 6, fly 6 --> 6 base

At-Will Attack Powers:
L1 - Eldritch Arrow (AA)
L1 - Hand of Blight (DSCS)
L1 - Sight of the Vestige (AA)
L1 - Starfall Shot (AA)

Encounter Attack Powers:
L1M -  Beguiling Strands (HoFL)
L1E -  Coldest Void Arrow (AA)
L11 - Imbued Fletchery [Sign of Ill Omen]* (AA)
L21 - The Infinite Arrow [Steal Time]* (AA)
L23 - Chain Lightning (AA)
L27 - Imbued Arrow [Web of Lies]* (AA)
L30 - Ellyllon's Infinite Arrow (AA)
*You   can only use two of the starred powers per encounter. (Not counting   feats, items, etc. that allow you to regain use of the powers.)

Daily Attack Powers:
L19 - Master's Imbued Arrow (AA)
L20 - Cursed Barrage (AA)
L25 - Grandmaster's Imbued Arrow (AA)
L29 - Ellyllon's Master Arrow (AA)

Utility Powers:
L1R -  Heroic Effort (HoFK)
L2 -   Call to the Shadowfell (AA)
L6 -   Unspeakable Bond (D382)
L10 - Fatebender Enchantment (AA)
L12 - Draw Arcana (AA)
L16 - Vorpal Ammunition (AA)
L22 - Prevailing Shot (AA)
L26 - Infinite Volley (AA)

Skills:
Arcana (+32) --> +7 ability (Intelligence), +5 trained, +15 levels, +5 item
Bluff (+28) --> +8 ability (Charisma), +5 trained, +15 levels
Intimidate (+28) --> +8 ability (Charisma), +5 trained, +15 levels
Perception (+21) --> +1 ability (Wisdom), +5 trained, +15 levels
Stealth (+22) --> +2 ability (Dexterity), +5 trained, +15 levels
Thievery (+22) --> +2 ability (Dexterity), +5 trained, +15 levels

Feats:
L1 - Weapon Focus (Bow)
L1 - Arcane Initiate
L2 -  Hidden Sniper
L4 - Novice Power
L6 - Mindbite Scorn
L8 - Superior Implement Training (Accurate rod)
L10 - Rod Expertise
L11 - Twofold Pact
L12 - Bow of Two Masters (AA)
L14 - Point Blank Eldritch Shot (AA)
L16 - Killing Curse
L18 - Great Fortitude
L20 - Lasting Frost
L21 - Cursed Spells
L22 - Bow Mastery
L24 - Vestige Mastery
L26 - Student of the Athanaeum
L28 - Epic Resurgence
L30 - Quickened Spellcasting

Magic Items (Expected GP = 14,625,000):
2,625,000: Parchment Leather Armor +6
2,125,000: Hex Mantle +6
2,125,000: Eyes of Arcane Marksmanship (epic tier)
2,125,000: Bracers of Arcane Archery (epic tier)
1,360,000: Lightning Arrow +4 x400
1,125,000: Hands of Hadar (epic tier)
625,000: Accurate rod of Ulban +5
525,000: Zephyr Boots (epic tier)
425,000: Siberys Shard of the Mage (epic tier)
340,000: Firestorm Arrow +4 x100
340,000: Freezing Arrow +4  x100
260,000: Frozen Whetstone (paragon tier) x100
225,000: Ring of Tenacious Will (epic tier)
125,000: Tempest Whetstone (paragon tier) x25
105,000: Belt of Breaching (paragon tier)
65,000: Ring of the Radiant Storm (paragon tier)
45,000: Solitaire (Aquamarine) (paragon tier)
4,200: Endless Quiver - Raiment of the Eldritch Marksman (heroic tier)
5,000: Salve of Power (heroic tier)
5,000: Handy Haversack (heroic tier)
Total: 14,579,200 gp


At-Will DPR: Spoiler: Show

Sight of the Vestige with +4 Lightning Arrows and level 17 Frozen Whetstone:
+40 vs. Will: +8 Charisma mod, +15 half level, +4 enhancement, +2 familiar   fletching,+3 rod expertise, +1 accurate rod, +2 proficiency bonus, +2   combat advantage (no reason not to have this every round), +1 infinite   arrow, +2 ellyllon's master arrow
Hit: 2d6+42 psychic damage +4d6 lightning damage +9 cold damage (+damage reroll); 1[W] +4 enhancement, +8 Charisma mod, +2 infinite arrow,
+4 ellyllon's master arrow, +3 weapon focus, +6 bracers of arcane archery, +5   shard of the mage, +10 rod of ulban, +4d6 lightning arrow, +4 frozen   whetstone, +5 lasting frost, +reroll from ring of the radiant storm
Critical: 5d12+54 psychic damage +24 lightning damage +9 cold damage; (Note: crit range of 18-20 for two encounters per day thanks to Vorpal Ammunition (U16) and Infinite Volley (U26))
Cursed Arrow: +3d8+2d6+14 psychic damage; Killing Curse (d6->d8) Cursed Arrow (+2d8+7)
, Hands of Hadar (+2d6), Mindbite Scorn (+1d8 psychic), +7 Cursed Spells


DPR: (0.90)*(72) + (0.10)*(119.5) + (.90)*(34.5) + (.10)*(50) = 112.8 DPR

DPR w/ 18-20 Crit*:
(0.90)*(72) + (0.15)*(119.5) + (.90)*(34.5) + (.15)*(50) = 121.3 DPR
(*Via the Vorpal Ammunition or Infinite Volley utility powers: ie. two encounters per day.)


Encounter Nova: Spoiler: Show

Turn 1 (Setup):
Minor Action – Frozen Whetstone

Turn 2 (Action):
Minor Action (Quickened) –  Sight of the Vestige (+40 vs. Will)
•    6d6+51 cold, lightning, and psychic damage
Standard Action – Infinite Arrow [Steal Time] (+38 vs. Will)

•    8d6+37 cold and lightning damage
, and the target is stunned.
Minor Action – Draw Arcana
•    (+8 attack and damage to you next arcane attack)
Standard Action
(Stolen Time) Chain Lightning (+44 vs. Reflex)

•    4d6+45 cold and lightning damage
•    (2d6+45 cold and lightning damage to two more targets)
•    (1d6+45 cold and lightning damage to every other enemy within 20)
ACTION POINT
Standard Action – Imbued Arrow [Web of Lies] (+38 vs. Will)

•     4d6+4d10+47 cold, lightning, and psychic damage
, and the target is  stuck in a 3x3 zone until the end of your next turn. It cannot attack  creatures outside the zone.
Curse Arrow
•    +3d8+2d6+14 psychic damage

Damage to Primary Target: 4d10+3d8+24d6+194
cold, lightning, and psychic damage (313 average damage)
+Target is stunned (or stuck in a zone if immune to stun).


Damage to every enemy between you and the primary target: 3d6+93 cold, lightning, and psychic damage (103.5 average damage)

Damage to two more enemies: 2d6+45 cold and lightning damage (52 average damage)
Damage to every enemy within 20: 1d6+45 cold and lightning damage (48.5 average damage)

Highest HP on a L30 Standard Monster: 339 (Giant Squid)

Damage Bonus Sources:
+4 or +5 enhancement, +8 Charisma mod, +2 infinite arrow, +4 ellyllon's master arrow, +3 weapon focus, +6 bracers of arcane archery, +5   shard of the mage, +10 rod of ulban, +4d6 lightning arrow, +4 frozen   whetstone, +5 lasting frost


Daily Nova: Spoiler: Show

Turn 1 (Setup):
Minor Action – Frozen Whetstone
Minor Action – Fatebender Enchantment


Turn 2 (Action):
Minor Action (Quickened) –  Sight of the Vestige (+41 vs. Will)
•    6d6+58 cold, lightning, and psychic damage
Standard Action – Grandmaster's Imbued Arrow [Steal Time] (+39 vs. Will)

•    12d6+44 cold and lightning damage
, and the target is stunned (save ends).

Standard Action (Stolen Time) – Master's Imbued Arrow [Steal Time] (+39 vs. Will)

•    10d6+44 cold and lightning damage
, and the target is stunned (save ends).

Standard Action (Stolen Time) – Infinite Arrow [Steal Time] (+39 vs. Will)

•    8d6+44 cold and lightning damage
, and the target is stunned
.
Standard Action (Stolen Time) – Ellyllon's Infinite Arrow (+39 vs. AC)

•    10d6+54 cold, lightning, psychic, and radiant damage
, and the target is stunned
(save ends), then takes 2d6+7 radiant damage.
Minor Action – Draw Arcana
•    (+8 attack and damage to you next arcane attack)

ACTION POINT (recover Snap Shot via Martial Mastery)
Standard Action Ellyllon's Master Arrow (+47 vs. AC)

•    14d6+55 cold, lightning, psychic, and radiant damage
, and the target is stunned
(save ends), then takes 5d6+7 radiant damage.
Curse Arrow
•    +3d8+2d6+14 psychic damage

Striker Tactic:
Focused Damage on one Target:
3d8+69d6+327
cold, lightning, psychic, and radiant damage (582 average damage) and the target is stunned (save ends).

Controller Tactic: 5 targets: All stunned (4 save ends), or combine targets as desired
Target 1: 22d6+3d8+134, stunned save ends, take 5d6+7 on a save (249 average damage)
Target 2:
10d6+54, stunned save ends, take 2d6+7 on a save (103 average damage)

Target 3: 12d6+44, stunned save ends (86 average damage)
Target 4: 10d6+44, stunned save ends (79 average damage)
Target 5:  8d6+44, stunned (72 average damage)

Highest HP on a L30 Elite Monster: 682 (Xixecal)

Damage Bonus Sources:
+4 or +5 enhancement, +8 Charisma mod, +2 infinite arrow, +4 ellyllon's master arrow, +3 weapon focus, +6 bracers of arcane archery, +5   shard of the mage, +10 rod of ulban, +4d6 lightning arrow, +4 frozen   whetstone, +5 lasting frost, +7 fatebender
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2011 - 7:22PM #47
Gadren
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Jun 30, 2011 -- 6:52AM, mhbjarkistef wrote:

We would ALL love to see this as official stuff!
Good luck on the article, i'm looking forward to it. What's it about?


I actually have two articles now waiting to see the presses. Can't say what either is about specifically due to NDA's, but one is a Bazaar of the Bizarre and one is a Winning Races.

Jun 30, 2011 -- 6:52AM, mhbjarkistef wrote:

Also, I wold love to see a power that on-hit allows a teleport, either yourself, the enemy or an adjacent ally. I have not rememorized the entire class, is there perhaps already a power like that? That's just an effect I would love to see :D Being able to teleport yourself before and attack does wonders (like nimble strike for the ranger), and being able to teleport an would really make you popular within the group!


If you want to focus on telelportation, I would recommend a Feypact archer.
4th level Fey pact lore increases your teleports by 2, which is particularly useful if you take the Ethereal Sidestep level 10 utility power, giving you an at-will teleport of 3 (which can be boosted further with a number of items.). Your pact boon should also give you plenty of opportunities to teleport about the battlefield.
As far as teleporting the enemies you shoot goes, I would recommend the Wierdwarp Enchantment level 6 utility power, as well as the Curse of Displacement and Flitting Shadows feats.
There are also a number of Warlock daily attack powers you can take that teleport both you and your enemies.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 12:57PM #48
Gadren
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BUMP!

By the way, I'd very much appreciate it if everyone who is a fan of this class would put something like "My favorite hb class: the Arcane Archer (essentials warlock)" in their signature.
It would be really awesome and help get this creation more exposure
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2011 - 8:58PM #49
Gadren
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Pella, an arcane archer will be featured as one of the supporting characters in my upcoming webcomic, Twice Blessed.

Keep an eye out for it!
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 07, 2012 - 4:17AM #50
mhbjarkistef
Date Joined: Sep 6, 2010
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This is so amazing!

Can you upload it for us? a pdf or doc/docx. This would look beautifully in my "homebrewes worth using" folder ^^ 

Look at my Playable Illithid, my Monster Generating excel file , my Lifestealer in progresss (Heroic tier almost complete!) , our Improved Orc, our Improving Kenku and our Improving Duergar
Also, take a look at my friend's Improved Minotaur, Gadren's amazing Arcane Archer and of course the Avatar Project
More links! Qube's Block Builder, Classless D&D and the characters I've created using the classless system.
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