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2 years ago ::
May 25, 2011 - 2:36PM
#11
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The attempted point was that the fluff strongly suggests that this is a case of teleporting the target mid-swing so that they hit something else, as opposed to things like confusing the target as it decides who to attack. The lack of the Charm or Fear keyword lends credence to this assessment of RAI. I think it's very unlikely that Endrek is referencing any potential facing rules in order to determine the result of DV by RAW.
Given the above description, and how likely it is to be RAI, it seems unlikely that self-targeting is RAI.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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2 years ago ::
May 25, 2011 - 2:51PM
#12
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May 12, 2009
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He was referencing Facing so i just wanted to clarify that. The thing is, you could Teleport it adjacent to you and make it attack one of its allies 2 squares the other of you or even in the opposite direction if it has Reach. It doesn't matter where and how you place it. You get to choose a new Target for the Triggerring Attack and it can be itself RAW.
Fluff is irrevelant. The revelant points are:
- An enemy hits an ally with a melee attack
- As an Interrupt, You teleport the target 5 squares.
- The target then makes its melee attack against a creature you choose.
Also, since the Trigger requires a Hit that you Interrupt, we are a Step #4 where you compare the Attack Roll results vs Target Defense, and thus after Step #3 of Making An Attack Process, which is to make the Attack Roll. For this reason, you keep the original Attack Roll IMO.
RC 214 Making Attacks:
1. Choose Power
2. Choose Targets
3. Make Attack roll
4. Compare Attack roll to Target's Defense
5. If hit, deals damage and other effect
6. If the Power has more than 1 target, repeats Steps 3 through 5.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago ::
May 25, 2011 - 3:53PM
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Sorry, been out of town for a few days so haven't been able to respond.
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Okay, so the first question is up in the air, but leaning towards "Keeping the roll it made". That's how I've been doing it, so I'm okay with that. ^^ Put the fear of a 20 into the DM. XD
The second one is still so confusing. It's leaning towards "Yes, you must teleport it adjacent to nobody or else it gets to attack them.", but the thing is the power says "You choose the creature" yada yada. This implies that (And I know this is bad since it's taking into account of description more than game terms) when you teleport the creature you get to choose which direction it is facing when it is teleported. So yes, the power says "Choose a creature for it to attack", but why couldn't I just teleport him next to me and have him "face" the other way for the attack? (i.e. attack an adjacent square?) It sounds REASONABLE to me. /shrug
Teleport it to a square adjacent to another enemy and direct it's attack at that enemy. Why do you want to teleport the enemy next to you so badly?
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2 years ago ::
May 25, 2011 - 5:14PM
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Mar 25, 2007
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Teleport it to a square adjacent to another enemy and direct it's attack at that enemy. Why do you want to teleport the enemy next to you so badly?
This is all in the situation of either A) A solo monster or B) The only enemy left.
As a Swordmage and tank of the group, I wouldn't use this ability on a Marked enemy (Save for a Critical, maybe) because I can reduce the damage they deal by so much. Thus, I'd use it on an unmarked enemy and then follow up with Booming Blade on my turn to keep it near to me. 
That's why.
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2 years ago ::
May 26, 2011 - 9:32AM
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Also, since the Trigger requires a Hit that you Interrupt, we are a Step #4 where you compare the Attack Roll results vs Target Defense, and thus after Step #3 of Making An Attack Process, which is to make the Attack Roll. For this reason, you keep the original Attack Roll IMO.
Except that the power says that the target 'makes its melee attack' not 'continues its attack'.
As you have noted, making an attack has a series of steps. If you make an attack, you start at step 1 and move through the steps sequentially to the end.
Now, in this instance, the creature has specified for it what power it has to use and what targets it has to choose (so it doesn't get to make any choices in Steps 1 and 2), but it's still making an attack, and so rolls a new attack roll for that attack.
There are wording choices that would indicate the target re-uses the same attack roll, but they would need to be pretty specific that you're continuing the same attack sequence or carrying over the old attack roll, because that's not the default when a power forces a creature to make an attack.
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2 years ago ::
May 26, 2011 - 3:21PM
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May 12, 2009
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Fair point, but the Power doesn't say the enemy remake its attack. So the Triggerring Atatck that is being Interrupted by Dimensional Vortex is alaready initiated in Making An Attack Process and doesn't redo all over....
Make it's attack implies to me its the same Power......and same roll since nothing says it redo it. It simply use its Attack Roll results vs ANOTHER Target's Defense on Step 4.
In other words, the Triggerring Attack that has been made and was hitting is Interrupted and the enemy makes its attack against another creature. I only see the Target of the Triggerring being invalidated.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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