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2 years ago ::
Jun 22, 2011 - 11:05AM
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Where is Duponde?
There is some confusion about Duponde so i didn't place it.
@Duponde: Rich Baker mentioned in his chat with the community, that Duponde is in Therund. I think they may have relocalized it, because the Nentir Vale is more familiar. About waht I hear here they have done it badly. But I haven't received new Encounters Kit yet. It seems WotC had had some promblems to get it to Germany in time ;-). I hope it's there this evening.
There we go. That makes sense, more sense than my attempt at deciphering it – since Therund is south of Harkenwold and east of Sarthel, and would follow the King's Road.
This problem is an entire thread in the Encounters Season 5 board. This is what the Season 5 Encounters book says: "...You've been traveling the King's Road for a week, heading south to the city of Sarthel with correspondence from Lord Markelhay, the Lord Warden of Fallcrest. When you arrived in Duponde, you discovered that the city's two bridges had been damaged by recent flooding in the Nentir River." So despite the error referring to the White River as the Nentir River, it's pretty clear they intended to place Duponde right smack where Albridge is. My answer to this for my Encounters group, is both towns are in the correct location. Whether you can use this as a permanent fix depends on how prominently Albridge figures in the "Reavers of Harkenwold"adventure from the DM Kit:
"Albridge was a town literally "all-bridge," with over a dozen spans across the White River (it looked like a dozen Ponte Vecchios) comprising the mercantile heart of the town. Unfortunately, the merchants kept building ever-more elaborate structures on top of the bridges, despite many warnings from the Stonemasons Guild. But the prosperous merchants of Albridge ignored them and their incessant pleas for coin to maintain the bridges, so the stonemasons left.
Sure enough, a few years later the White River had a massive flood that washed out all but the bare structure of two of the bridges, and turned the surrounding fords into a shallow, marshy lake. For years afterwards, travelers would ask what happened to the magnificent bridges of Albridge, to be answered by the locals "dey went into de pond." Soon both locals and visitors took to referring to the once-waterlogged town as "De Pond," and eventually a Nerathi cartographer transcribed the name as Duponde.
Today, both names refer to the town that sits on the northern bank of the White River."
Also, in this context it's not so surprising that the only two bridges into town washed out as well: the Albridge/Duponde locals have a horrible history of maintaining their bridges.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 6:34AM
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Some new locations in light of Monster Vault: Threats to the Nentir Vale: • Cold Camp, the stronghold of the Frost Witches, sits on the banks of the northwestern cove of Lake Nen.
• Spiderhaunt Thicket is the name of the Harken Forest north of the King's Road and Harkenwold (that section that seems almost cut off from the rest of the forest). • Crestwater Tower seems to be a ruined tower in the northern Witchlight Fens, originally able to see both the walls of Fallcrest and the entirety of the Fens from its pinnacle. EDIT: Sorry to be confusing. Vanamere's Tower is different from the Crestwater Tower. Crestwater Tower sits on the Nentir River as it enters the Fens, and was destroyed by Shadowmire the Black. Vanamere's Tower sits on a hill north of the Fens, just south of the Cloakwood, and was destroyed by Goblins and Ogres from the Ogrefist Hills. The two towers are separate, but similar in purpose: to keep watch on the lands around, though both are now in ruins.
• The Cairnwater is a large tributary of the Nentir River that meets it in the heart of the Witchlight Fens, presumably north of the confluence of the White River and the Nentir River. It is the home of Shadowmire (and thus exactly where the map-makers faded out the map to write "The Witchlight Fens," making it difficult to place). I would assume it flows from the direction of the Cairngorm Peaks, but I don't know for certain. It's supposed to be in the very center of the Fens, though. If I'm right, the river should flow down from the Cairngorm through the Gardbury Downs, and then south across the plain into the Fens. It could be named higher up along the river. In any case, the Cairnwater Caves (home to Shadowmire the Black) are located beneath the stream within the Fens, and should be marked on the map. • The ruins of the village of Blackleaf lie somewhere along the edge of the Witchlight Fens. It was destroyed by a Cadaver Collector. • Rolaz-Gaar, an Arkhosian ruin, lies near the shore of Lake Nen – though which shore is uncertain. • An unnamed Arkhosian ruin lies within the Ogrefist Hills.
A great man once said "If WotC put out boxes full of free money there'd still be people complaining about how it's folded." – Boraxe
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 10:05AM
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Some new locations in light of Monster Vault: Threats to the Nentir Vale: • Cold Camp, the stronghold of the Frost Witches, sits on the banks of the northwestern cove of Lake Nen.
• Spiderhaunt Thicket is the name of the Harken Forest north of the King's Road and Harkenwold (that section that seems almost cut off from the rest of the forest). • Crestwater Tower seems to be a ruined tower in the northern Witchlight Fens, originally able to see both the walls of Fallcrest and the entirety of the Fens from its pinnacle. EDIT: Sorry to be confusing. Vanamere's Tower is different from the Crestwater Tower. Crestwater Tower sits on the Nentir River as it enters the Fens, and was destroyed by Shadowmire the Black. Vanamere's Tower sits on a hill north of the Fens, just south of the Cloakwood, and was destroyed by Goblins and Ogres from the Ogrefist Hills. The two towers are separate, but similar in purpose: to keep watch on the lands around, though both are now in ruins.
• The Cairnwater is a large tributary of the Nentir River that meets it in the heart of the Witchlight Fens, presumably north of the confluence of the White River and the Nentir River. It is the home of Shadowmire (and thus exactly where the map-makers faded out the map to write "The Witchlight Fens," making it difficult to place). I would assume it flows from the direction of the Cairngorm Peaks, but I don't know for certain. It's supposed to be in the very center of the Fens, though. If I'm right, the river should flow down from the Cairngorm through the Gardbury Downs, and then south across the plain into the Fens. It could be named higher up along the river. In any case, the Cairnwater Caves (home to Shadowmire the Black) are located beneath the stream within the Fens, and should be marked on the map. • The ruins of the village of Blackleaf lie somewhere along the edge of the Witchlight Fens. It was destroyed by a Cadaver Collector. • Rolaz-Gaar, an Arkhosian ruin, lies near the shore of Lake Nen – though which shore is uncertain. • An unnamed Arkhosian ruin lies within the Ogrefist Hills.
Thank you very much. My Copy of the Book has not yet arrived
But now i can start the work
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2 years ago ::
Jul 10, 2011 - 9:10AM
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Update V13 - Cold Camp, the stronghold of the Frost Witches (Lake Nen) - Spiderhaunt Thicket is the name of the Harken Forest north of the King's Road and Harkenwold - Crestwater Tower sits on the Nentir River as it enters the Fens, and was destroyed by Shadowmire the Black. - Cairnwater Caves, home to Shadowmire the Black (Witchlight Fens) - The ruins of the village of Blackleaf lie somewhere along the edge of the Witchlight Fens. - Rolaz-Gaar, an Arkhosian ruin, lies near the shore of Lake Nen - An unnamed Arkhosian ruin lies within the Ogrefist Hills.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 10, 2011 - 10:51AM
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Regarding the British name “Duponde” (also Du Ponde), the name can literally mean “bridge dweller” if it derives from Old French “Dupont” (also Du Pont), meaning “of the bridge” in the sense of a citizen of a bridge.
So, “Duponde” meaning “bridge dweller” and “Albridge” meaning “all bridge”, can mean the same thing, referring to a town that is built at the location of a bridge, or even build on bridges and stilts across a river.
These could be the same place according to different languages, or one could be the suburb of the other.
Its also possible, they are names of originally separate towns on opposite sides of the river, each gaining its name from the important bridge on the ancient traderoute. Causeways thru difficult lands were significant achievements in ancient times. These two towns eventually merged into one town by building across the river.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 10, 2011 - 1:01PM
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But Haldrik, is there any official word that Albridge = Dupond? Because I sure haven't seen that. That's great as homebrew, but we're trying to achieve a map that represents the Nentir Vale as Intended By Designers.
I don't know if they intended Albridge = Dupond. Especially when Dupond uses a modified map of a town from the Elsir Vale, while Albridge has a very different map in the Harkenwold box set.
Unless there's an official statement, that shouldn't be added to this map.
A great man once said "If WotC put out boxes full of free money there'd still be people complaining about how it's folded." – Boraxe
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Jul 10, 2011 - 1:16PM
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But Haldrik, is there any official word that Albridge = Dupond? Because I sure haven't seen that. That's great as homebrew, but we're trying to achieve a map that represents the Nentir Vale as Intended By Designers.
I don't know if they intended Albridge = Dupond. Especially when Dupond uses a modified map of a town from the Elsir Vale, while Albridge has a very different map in the Harkenwold box set.
Unless there's an official statement, that shouldn't be added to this map.
Nope. Strictly retcon.
The retcon excuses the absence of Duponde from the map, since it could reasonably be the same thing as Albridge, with Albridge being the more common name.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 10, 2011 - 1:24PM
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while Albridge has a very different map in the Harkenwold box set.
Apologies for slightly derailing this thread, but which product is the "Harkenwold box set"?
Thanks in advance.
- Neil.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 10, 2011 - 2:07PM
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while Albridge has a very different map in the Harkenwold box set.
Apologies for slightly derailing this thread, but which product is the "Harkenwold box set"?
Thanks in advance.
- Neil.
It's in the DM Kit. It looks like a very good Adventure. I haven't played it yet as my last homebrew campaign (2E) had almost the same story.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 10, 2011 - 2:11PM
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Thank you. I'm awaiting for my copy of that to arrive in the mail.
And to get us back on track, thank you for all the work you put in updating the map, it's really helpful.
- Neil.
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