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2 years ago ::
May 13, 2011 - 11:45PM
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I'm sure this has been thought of before, as a writer I know there are no real original ideas. I want to run the new Dark Sun for my group and I want it to be epic. This idea could be very long term. Maybe its because its a desert planet so it's reminding me of Dune and Dune was full all kinds of themes. So the idea of a prophet of religion hitting Athas like it hasn't in a real long time, and of course the Dragon Kings will not stand for this. But over all this guy or gal could be a fake and maybe someone else is the prophet. I'm rambling... What I wanted to ask was what type of gods were you design for Dark Sun if you could? Would you take the established list of gods in the PHB or RC and maybe change their names (this is not a horrible idea). But if you could come up with your own...the ideas could be awesome. But I like the idea overall of one person bringing together all different kinds of races and people. I'm open to any ideas or suggestions. Please let me know I like hearing from other DM's and if players want to tell what they would like to see in a game like this, that would be awesome. I always want to know what my players want in their game. So there that's my idea its still in its beginning stage, thanks for reading.
M. Soliz
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2 years ago ::
May 14, 2011 - 2:51AM
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Jan 12, 2011
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none; the gods of Athas are dead  if you're set on the idea, i'd suggest maybe having 1 or 3 'lost gods' of the Green Age, not a full pantheon. the chained god is supposed to still be alive in the underdark. maybe one trapped in an astral domain, gone slightly insane knowing he's the last god. or else a couple of lover-gods escaped to the Elemental Chaos, warped by the foreign environment. preserve the flavor of Dark Sun. if you like a pantheon of gods, play (normal setting) in a desert campaign. as for a prophet uniting various peoples ... why does he have to be divine? could just be a historian.
Bane of Gnomes.
"An angel of snuggles is a bad match for evil gods." -Mike Mearls (Worlds&Monsters, p.72)
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2 years ago ::
May 14, 2011 - 6:31AM
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Or there never were any gods to begin with, just religions that had cropped up over the ages based on false mythologies.
As for creating one, I would go with something primal and elemental in nature, one that wants to 'change the face of Athas forever', but in it's own twisted and limited vision. Even a water or rain primal force that would see nothing wrong with drowning it's followers in torrents of water. It could even be actively duping it's prophet with false promises of bringing change to the world to the benefit of the people when in reality, it simply wants a greater share of the Athasian pie so-to-speak. You could go with the basic fire, earth, air, or water, or the old-school para elemental silt, sun, rain, or magma ones. A primal force of rain that envisions one great endless storm of destruction over the face of Athas . . . now why does that sound somewhat familiar? The revelation to the poor prophet of such a being could be very sorrowful ("You just don't understand me, Prophet. I'm a being a pure fire . . . all that I am, all I know, all I will ever be . . . maybe if you burned, for a little while, you'll understand . . . you will all understand!")
The prophet of a non-existent deity based on ancient histories could be interesting, but I'm at a loss as to how to culminate such an idea (meaning, how to eventually expose that no such being really exists in a way that works well). Post exposure however would have one manically depressed and likely quite vengeful former prophet that could lead some serious rallying against other presumptuous claims of divinity (thinking of Abalach-Re's trumped up religion of Bad'na if you wanted to have a city already in shambles ever rise up against it's own Sorcerer-Monarch) or even strike directly at one of the SKs who claim godhood like Hamanu or Tectuktitilay only to be quashed like an insect be powers that, while not necessarily divine, are no less potent on their own turfs.
As for actual gods, you are on your own for that. I'm too much a purist for going that route myself, but there's nothing stopping you from dragging your players through the Astral to revive a dead god and bring Athas it's first truely divine being to shake things up. I don't think any current existing deities would really fit the bill for any avenues I can think of, since most of them are niche gods that are part of a collective pantheon (A god of this, or goddess of that would seem rather out of place as the only god on the block on Athas). Think more along the lines of what a monotheistic god represents in the grand scheme of things.
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2 years ago ::
May 14, 2011 - 12:42PM
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maybe not divine Paul was never really a prophet he was mad into one because of different people's manipualtions. I guess I never read it as the gods were dead. Just that they were silent. Oh well. I don't like the idea of the normal setting it would be boring I like Athas, and I was just rambling ideas none of them were set in stone. He or she couldn't unite them that would never happen. I guess i was just looking at a metaplot. Hmm. Thanks for the input though nice to have people to bounce ideas off. And your right I wasn't looking for a full pantheon. Just any that could still be out there waiting for a chance. Not that I want to turn the planet green just some hope. Campagins seem so ...so... stuck, and nothing changes, I guess that's why people like playing there.
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2 years ago ::
May 14, 2011 - 12:47PM
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I do like the ideas said here they have a lot to offer and I'm not ever set in stone with what I want. If your going to DM you have to be able to give what your players what they want and if they like the idea of a lost god or mad god or elementals or SK amd MACH 4 your ideas are very cool. Thanks again lots to think about.
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2 years ago ::
May 14, 2011 - 11:14PM
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Bah. Poppycock. What you do at your table with Athas is your table's business, nobody else's. Want to have a new god be born and change the face of the world forever? Go for it! If you think you can make that story work and your players go for it, go for it!
I just recently concluded a campaign in my own setting, but where there very specifically are no gods (but there is religion). The campaign ended with one of the lads who was playing a Paladin who worshipped Pelor (keep in mind, this was in a society that thought it was quaint and small-minded of him to worship/believe in a god at all) actually becoming Pelor. He was the one who called himself to follow his own teachings and become himself. It's like Odin sacrificing his eye to himself to gain knowledge. Crazy self-referential and impossible stuff that myths are full of. Once he became a god at the end, he had always been a god, from the beginning of time.
PCs in epic tier absolutely should be re-shaping the world. The scale of that is up to how big you should make it at your own game table. If you think the players would like such an epic story as bringing about a new era of Athas where there are returned/reborn/new gods, go for it! If they want to be as epic as taking down a sorcerer king, go for it. If you want to take down the dragon, go for it. Whatever works.
If it were me, and I were inspired by the idea of religion sweeping across Athas, I would probably do something similar to above... the prophet starts out as a false one, but perhaps by paragon tier the PCs take out the prophet, only to find that he wasn't entirely wrong. There is a new god coming to town, all right... just not the one the prophet was preaching about. Perhaps one or more of the PCs become the god, or turn out to be the new incarnation of an old god, or they create a new god, or the new god is born and not so nice as they thought. Lots of stuff to do.
Resident jark. Resident Minister of Education and Misinformation.
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2 years ago ::
May 15, 2011 - 12:29AM
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Jun 21, 2005
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Not that I condone such perversion of Athas, a few ideas that fit nicely in Dark Sun would be simple in nature and/or elemental-base deity types. You could also base deities off Spirits of the Land (not sure if 4th Ed has touched on them). One deity that I remember hearing about (book/forum/person I don’t remember where) was a feathered serpent that brings rain, nice and simple with an elemental theme.
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2 years ago ::
May 15, 2011 - 9:01AM
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Dead Gods was an earlier article in Dragon #390. It may be helpful.
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. --George Orwell There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people. --Howard Zinn He who fights with monsters must take care lest he thereby become a monster. --Friedrich Nietzsche
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2 years ago ::
May 15, 2011 - 1:32PM
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Introducting Gods from other settings is certainly not for me, but to each his own. Restoring the Gods to Athas, or Athas to the Green Age, seem to be common themes for Dark Sun. Though I would argue that they are already becoming cliche', kind of the Athasian version of "I won D&D". For me anyway, these destroy what is unique and cool about the setting. After completing either of these epic quests, Athas becomes just another generic fantasy world, albiet with a slightly more interesting history. I have also had three of my players request to play divine characters, I just don't see the attraction, other than playing something forbidden I suppose. It makes me wonder, how many people would pick up the Forgotten Realms campaign guide and decide to run an epic campaign where the PC's run amok killing the Gods and destroying the planet?
Anyway, I don't know if anyone has brought up the possibility of having the PC's becoming the New Gods of Athas after they reach 30th level (how is that for an Epic Ego trip for your players). After all, the old guys had their shot, and they didn't do such a fantastic job, why give them a second chance to F it up. Not to mention the luke-warm reception they would likely recieve from your average Athasian citizen, given their well known failures. You could even keep the campaign going with the continuing saga your PC's as Gods if you wanted. Lot of work to do creating their realms in the Astral sea, figuring out their dominions, fighting those who would see these fledgling Gods destroyed. 30-40th level = God Tier
The primordials step up and take the place of the Gods. It's been a while since they were young and destroyed the Gods. Maybe they've matured a little and now see promise in what they once considered insignificant beings?
Another possibility would be to have some of the major NPC's of the setting attain Godhood. There really is no need to have dieties everyone likes, or who are even devoted to the concept of good. What would happen if Borys has actually been working on attaining God status in his spare time between devouring sacrifices and playing shuffle board? Suddenly he takes to his new realm in the Astral Sea taking his minions with him. The Sorcerer Kings are left scrambling to replace him as Rajaat's prison begin to weaken, threatening to release him back into the world. You could have an Avignon (sp?) achieve Godhood to balance out Borys.
What about Kalak? In my campaign he has been killed, but don't count him out just yet. He may have spent a few years sulking about his death, but Kalak is scrappy. Finally he has realized that his death at the hands of that numbskull traitor Tithian was a blessing in disquise. Kalak goes back to doing what he does best, being in charge. Having adjusted to the Gray, he has decided to take it over and make it into his own realm. He is currently organizing his new, and ever growing legions of the dead and plotting his comeback. Kalak the Gray, new lord of Death and the shadowfell, acting much like the Raven Queen, only not so nice. Now if revenants he created would manage to kill Rikus, Kalak could make him lead his new legions further into the depths of the Abyss. Is he a God? not really, but he is still a force to be reckoned with.
Above all else, do with the campaign whatever want, it is your game after all, and tastes vary.
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2 years ago ::
May 21, 2011 - 1:09PM
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Jan 12, 2011
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For a ready made pathenon of gritty "gods" look at the Demons and Devils (Dagon as a water god ect) with a little reskining you can use the already published material (anything to save work). They may not be the kindest gods but they offer power and a choice other than the Sorcere Kings. Not an ideal choice but this is Athas nothings ever easy.
I hope this plot line works out for you and your group. I see tonnes of role play potential.
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