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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2011 - 7:38PM #11
Fireclave
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How to be an [alignment] pirate in three easy steps:

1) Get a boat.
2) Act like a [alignment] adventurer while on said boat.
3) Stick it to at least one government or similar authority until branded an outlaw by said authority.

Congratulations!  You are an [alignment] pirate!
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2011 - 7:45PM #12
malisteen
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Apr 20, 2011 -- 9:29PM, Andr0o wrote:

The only way I can think of is if there were some Lawful Evil government which is highly reliant on seafaring trade. And honestly, how often does that (plausibly) happen?




en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_tra...

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2011 - 10:25AM #13
ThaneRhogar
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Apr 22, 2011 -- 7:45PM, malisteen wrote:

Apr 20, 2011 -- 9:29PM, Andr0o wrote:

The only way I can think of is if there were some Lawful Evil government which is highly reliant on seafaring trade. And honestly, how often does that (plausibly) happen?




en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_tra...




Mallsteen wins the thread.  Dedicate yourself to disrupting slave traders, opium suppliers, any industry that's reasonably described as evil and oppressive, even if it's sanctioned by whatever portion of world governments.

As to 4e alignments... I'm really not sure what the motivation was for the change besides making alignment easier for 12 year olds to understand.  Since 4e alignment has no actual effect on play, the pre-4e alignment system everyone's used to is much more complete and descriptive, so whether or not you actually write "chaotic good" on your character sheet (which again, wouldn't have any effect whatsoever on your game.  Heck, steal an alignment from Kobolds Ate My Baby and say your character is Awful Hungry, it won't matter), the concept is perfectly reasonable to use if you're, say, on a forum looking for RP concepts that fit with your character idea.

edit: inb4 someone mentions Cavaliers.  That's a random holdover from 3e that some market researcher told the Dev team would bring in a few more 3e players, and it sticks out oddly from the rest of the 4e system.  Yes, it exists, but I feel like most home tables would house rule it if it mattered.  And again, 4e Paladins don't have a code of behavior, so you could write Lawful Good on your Cavalier of Sacrifice's sheet and then interpret that pretty much however your want, even in LFR/Encounters, since there's no RAW for forcible alignment changes and no system for losing the class features no matter what you do. 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2011 - 5:52PM #14
Andr0o
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Apr 22, 2011 -- 4:03PM, Salla wrote:

Apr 22, 2011 -- 3:03PM, Andr0o wrote:

Apr 20, 2011 -- 10:08PM, Salla wrote:

Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.
Drinking ale and having sex are irrelevant to alignment.




Since when do these not exist? Also, being a promiscuous drunk is totally relevant to alignment.




Since 4th Edition.



I knew there was a reason my group still plays 3.5, but oh well, they will be mourned.

Thanks everyone for the great feedback, I had forgotten a few things and  simply didn't consider others, you've all been a great help.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2011 - 9:54PM #15
Lord_Ventnor
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Apr 26, 2011 -- 5:52PM, Andr0o wrote:

Apr 22, 2011 -- 4:03PM, Salla wrote:

Apr 22, 2011 -- 3:03PM, Andr0o wrote:

Apr 20, 2011 -- 10:08PM, Salla wrote:

Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.
Drinking ale and having sex are irrelevant to alignment.




Since when do these not exist? Also, being a promiscuous drunk is totally relevant to alignment.




Since 4th Edition.



I knew there was a reason my group still plays 3.5, but oh well, they will be mourned.

Thanks everyone for the great feedback, I had forgotten a few things and  simply didn't consider others, you've all been a great help.




Write "Chaotic Good" on your character sheet if you really want to. Alignment doesn't have any real mechanical impact, so it doesn't matter if you do so.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2011 - 3:02PM #16
generalchaos34
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interesting side note, chaotic good is the idea of giving everyone freedom, right?

!7th and 18th century priacy was the direct result of people fighting against the political tyranny of the day. Sailors had few options, they could work for pennies in the british navy and face the lash, they could work for pennies and starve if they worked for an independent ship, or they could work themselves in a factory and die in a machine...and starve for pennies. The majority of actual pirates were people who commandeered a ship and basically did what they wanted to do. The "captain" was a position that was voted on by consesus of all the crew memebers, usually lasting a few months. If a memeber commited a crime against another shipmate he was tried and judged by his peers. Essentially it was the first deomcratic institution in the post renaissance world. These pirates fought for their freedoms, and in order to maintain that they would prey on shipping and stay away from naval patrols. You could still be good if you were a member of the crew, since they rarely just killed the people they robbed (its called the law of the sea, you dont screw with people if you ever want to be rescued yourself). Most of the time if they had a good haul they would float around and booze and gamble until they ran out of cash, or they would establish small forts in out of way places like madagascar....where they would booze and gamble. The exception to this were American pirates from new england, who helped to start the whole thing, because they would have locals buy stock in their "venture" then sail to the indian ocean and rob some Sultans treasure ship. 
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2011 - 8:32PM #17
JohnyNeurotic
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Apr 20, 2011 -- 10:08PM, Salla wrote:

Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.


Only to people who can't rap their mind around simple concepts.

People can use the alignments they want. It is not some jerk's job to tell people on the internet what they can and cannot use. You should answer him to the best of your limited abilities.

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The OP should have asked on the Paizo boards. They are respectful and ain't WotC apologists.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2011 - 9:02PM #18
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2011 - 9:44PM #19
generalchaos34
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Apr 28, 2011 -- 8:32PM, JohnyNeurotic wrote:

Apr 20, 2011 -- 10:08PM, Salla wrote:

Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.


Only to people who can't rap their mind around simple concepts.

People can use the alignments they want. It is not some jerk's job to tell people on the internet what they can and cannot use. You should answer him to the best of your limited abilities.

This edition just cathers to (Content Removed)

The OP should have asked on the Paizo boards. They are respectful and ain't WotC apologists.




shoo, go away, why are you even here? I actually like this stuff, hence why i like to post nice things.  

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2011 - 10:04PM #20
Salla
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Or he should have asked on the Previous Edition forums, since he's playing a previous edition.

Just sayin'.
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