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2 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2011 - 11:46AM
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Well, no, the star pact binder is a distinct subclass from the Warlock,(...)
But so is the Gloom Pact Binder.
Cattle die, kindred die, every man is mortal. But the good name never dies of one who has done well.
Cattle die, kindred die, every man is mortal. But I know one thing that never dies: the glory of the great dead.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2011 - 3:42PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 29, 2009
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Well, no, the star pact binder is a distinct subclass from the Warlock, a star warlock can't, (sadly) take star Binder powers unless he/she retarains.
Also, I always treated the Gloom pact as the Dark pact for the purpose of paragon paths and the like.
Why treat Dark and Gloom the same?
One comes from the Underdark filled with pain, poison, and hate the other comes from the Shadowfell filled with sadness, undeath, and fear.
The sea looks at the stabillity of the mountian and sighs.
The mountian watches the freedom of the sea and cries.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2011 - 11:04AM
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Well, isn't pain thematically similar to sadness? Poison to Undeath? And re: hate and fear, there's alway's this, courtesy Yoda; Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
It makes perfect sense to me. I'm going to house rule the Dark pact into the Gloom pact myself.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 04, 2011 - 3:56AM
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Well, isn't pain thematically similar to sadness? Poison to Undeath? And re: hate and fear, there's alway's this, courtesy Yoda;
Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
It makes perfect sense to me. I'm going to house rule the Dark pact into the Gloom pact myself.
@Siberys the Dark Pact has bugger all to do with the Shadowfell. It should be obvious that the Dark pact is very similar to the Star Pact. The major denizens of the Underdark have had the aberrant link with the Far Realms in all versions of the game.
The Gloom pact has nothing to do with the Dark Pact or its power source. I realise that this is something a number of people are throwing around right now.
People we are apparently finding ways to try to integrate substandard materials into our game on the basis that that is what we are being handed (as evidenced by people's attempts to Dark=Gloom pact etc). I understand your reaction and applaud your efforts in many ways, but why dont we simply hand back the crap and suggest they come up with something decent before they get any more money from us.
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