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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 7:22AM #51
dracomax1981
Date Joined: Oct 12, 2010
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Mar 23, 2011 -- 6:59AM, ClaytonM wrote:

Well, I certainly don't feel any regret having turned off my auto renew now.
I've been using the coulple months I had left on my subscription to evaluate whether it was worth renewing or not and I haven't seen any real progress on the CB (pretty much the only reason I subscribed in the first place) and the MB is laughable. 

Sorry, no sale.

- C



Honestly, the OCB is the single biggest reason I have no confidence in Trevor's assertion that more features are coming in the future.

We get updates at a rate of once a month, most of the updates being bug fixes that should be implemented much more often. We are perpetually told that many of the features that should have been in from day 10, at least, are coming "soon" in a "future update." They are supposedly finally putting custom items in next update, yet have not given us any information about how integrated this will be(will it include math changes with the builder, or just allow you to put the name in?)

In addition, there weren't many changes to the VT in the 3-4 months I was part of the beta. there were no significant changes to the monster "builder"(which has remained a lie in the name itself) since it was first introduced, and was actually worse than that during this introduction, having bugs and problems the VTbeta version didn't have. This, despite being told ad nauseum that releasing it in this form to the general DDI was an idiotic and aweful idea.

I'm sorry, but DDI's track record fills me with the opposite of confidence.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 7:28AM #52
frothsof
Date Joined: Jun 4, 2010
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there were lots of changes to the vt, i personally thought they were doing a good job of putting requests in

except for saving pcs of course that was awful
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 7:41AM #53
Dane_McArdy
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 7:41AM #54
Dane_McArdy
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Mar 23, 2011 -- 7:28AM, frothsof wrote:

there were lots of changes to the vt, i personally thought they were doing a good job of putting requests in

except for saving pcs of course that was awful




Frothsof, please list all these changes they put in.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 7:49AM #55
frothsof
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import for pcs and monsters, motion tracker, changed the interface for adding conditions and changing hp, completely changed the campaign search, upped the allowable adventure size (i know this for fact bc adventures i couldnt open, i could at the end)

i dont think thats bad for a few months

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 7:55AM #56
dracomax1981
Date Joined: Oct 12, 2010
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I don't think that would be bad for one month. but for a flagstone project (and that's what they are making this) that is purportedly still being worked on, taking 4 months to do that just seems like way too long, and I don't expect it'll get better.

In addition, to see the Monster whatever have aboslutely nothing done to it in that time? Yeah, I'm seriously considering cancelling my account, and coming back in a year or so to see if the tools are generally usable in any major fashion yet. my hopes aren't high.

At least when the VT was a seperate beta, I could justify it as "I'm not paying for the slow developement time, because it's not part of DDI"
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 7:56AM #57
DMaple
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Mar 22, 2011 -- 3:06PM, WotC_Trevor wrote:

You still have access to the classic MB (you can download it right now). We won't be doing any more updates to it, but it's still there and still usable. Yes it has issues, but I'm hopefully most people understand that we won't be working on the old tools while adding features to the new tool.





No sorry I don't understand, you don't see any other software company (which is what you are now), leaving customers with a none working product while they work on the next iteration of that product.

You need to support the older product until your new one is at least as good as the one it is replacing.

 

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 8:15AM #58
Dane_McArdy
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Mar 23, 2011 -- 7:49AM, frothsof wrote:


import for pcs and monsters, motion tracker, changed the interface for adding conditions and changing hp, completely changed the campaign search, upped the allowable adventure size (i know this for fact bc adventures i couldnt open, i could at the end)

i dont think thats bad for a few months




I agree with dracomax. For a company like WoTC, that would be good for a month. That's what was added for ALL the months of that beta phase.

And there are bugs they have had for a long time, not fixed. We have made some many requests for features we never heard back on.

And they made it very clear, that's exactly the kind of information they wanted. We gave, they said little, and little changes were made in the time we were in the beta.

I'm not disagree with you, I'm saying they could have done way more.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 8:50AM #59
Dunk
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Mar 23, 2011 -- 7:49AM, frothsof wrote:


import for pcs and monsters, motion tracker, changed the interface for adding conditions and changing hp, completely changed the campaign search, upped the allowable adventure size (i know this for fact bc adventures i couldnt open, i could at the end)

i dont think thats bad for a few months




They also removed the ability to save work you entered on PCs and the ability to save your adventures. Both of these make the tool more work to play with.


The HP tracking was nice but when introduced it split from the condition tracking so you had to open two separate dialogs for many attacks. The net gain was marginal.


The change in adventure size addressed a change they made that left many previous adventures unable to load.


They made some good changes; the movement tracking, the campaign organization, and the import (this still needs work). I am glad they had a good place to start with because there record on development is not that great. The VT beta was great, but what made it great was the community and what they had to start with, not what they developed during the time it ran.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 8:54AM #60
frothsof
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well they are going to have to let us save pcs, if they have not fixed this yet, which i really hope they have, the ish storm they hear when its opened to ddi is going to be ugly

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