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Doing as much damage when hit as possible.

If she hits someone with hellish rebuke, and that creature makes a melee attack which (dazed, dominates, or deals psycic damage) and reduces her to 0 or fewer...
The Retaliator deals... Show 223.5 auto-damage (+ another hellish rebuke).

You can probably expect about 1/2 (e.g. 100) on average.

She also has no problems surviving an onslaught, can protect her allies (increasing her retaliation damage), and has decent non-retaliation damage and control.

The Retaliator Show

Any otherways to boost retaliation?

Well, there's a couple of helmets that do retaliation damage for specific kinda of attacks(one for melee one for ranged), so pick one or the other. Iron of spite for melee(necrotic, 1d10), firebird for ranged(fire, 1d12), both are lvl 27.

You might also consider spark slippers(lvl 16), doing cha-mod damage to any enemy that moves adjacent to you. 

Shame there is a lack of Warlock and Intelligence there.  Shadow Warlock Armor + Pact Double Sword+6 + Pact Wrist Razors+6 + Radiant One gives a nasty amount as well when calculating max.

For the parts I remember, I think it is....
10+7 Force + Radiant and Fire (Ring of Circling Fangs)
10+7 Force + " (Ring of Circling Fangs)
10+7 Force + " (Ring of Circling Fangs + Many-fingered Gloves)
6+7 Untyped + " (Pact Double Sword)
6+7 Untyped + " (Pact Double Sword)
6+7 Untyped + " (Pact Wrist Razors)
8+7 Fire + " (White Lotus Riposte)
6+7 Necrotic + " (Evil Eye Fetish)
= 118 Damage.
+1d6+Mods+7 (Hellish Rebuke)
+Repeat Hellish Rebuke (White Lotus Master Riposte)

No where near as capable of surviving an onslaught though when compared to the Revenant though.  I'll start trying to put this thing together again, even if it will take me time and wondering what build to work with, Hybrid Warlock|X or just flat Defenderlock?

Who knows, maybe you can fit in the Warlock and Radiant One parts into your idea and make it a nightmare.

Feb 18, 2011 -- 5:01PM, WOLead wrote:

Shame there is a lack of Warlock and Intelligence there.  Shadow Warlock Armor + Pact Double Sword+6 + Pact Wrist Razors+6 + Radiant One gives a nasty amount as well when calculating max.

For the parts I remember, I think it is....
10+7 Force + Radiant and Fire (Ring of Circling Fangs)
10+7 Force + " (Ring of Circling Fangs)
10+7 Force + " (Ring of Circling Fangs + Many-fingered Gloves)
6+7 Untyped + " (Pact Double Sword)
6+7 Untyped + " (Pact Double Sword)
6+7 Untyped + " (Pact Wrist Razors)
8+7 Fire + " (White Lotus Riposte)
6+7 Necrotic + " (Evil Eye Fetish)
= 118 Damage.
+1d6+Mods+7 (Hellish Rebuke)
+Repeat Hellish Rebuke (White Lotus Master Riposte)

No where near as capable of surviving an onslaught though when compared to the Revenant though.  I'll start trying to put this thing together again, even if it will take me time and wondering what build to work with, Hybrid Warlock|X or just flat Defenderlock?

Who knows, maybe you can fit in the Warlock and Radiant One parts into your idea and make it a nightmare.

the warlock also has the sickening shadows feat (requires shadow walk) that does Int mod necrotic damage whenevever an enemy hits you with a melee attack while you hace concealment as a result of shadow walk.

Feb 18, 2011 -- 5:01PM, WOLead wrote:

Shame there is a lack of Warlock and Intelligence there.  Shadow Warlock Armor + Pact Double Sword+6 + Pact Wrist Razors+6 + Radiant One gives a nasty amount as well when calculating max.

For the parts I remember, I think it is....
10+7 Force + Radiant and Fire (Ring of Circling Fangs)
10+7 Force + " (Ring of Circling Fangs)
10+7 Force + " (Ring of Circling Fangs + Many-fingered Gloves)
6+7 Untyped + " (Pact Double Sword)
6+7 Untyped + " (Pact Double Sword)
6+7 Untyped + " (Pact Wrist Razors)
8+7 Fire + " (White Lotus Riposte)
6+7 Necrotic + " (Evil Eye Fetish)
= 118 Damage.
+1d6+Mods+7 (Hellish Rebuke)
+Repeat Hellish Rebuke (White Lotus Master Riposte)

No where near as capable of surviving an onslaught though when compared to the Revenant though.  I'll start trying to put this thing together again, even if it will take me time and wondering what build to work with, Hybrid Warlock|X or just flat Defenderlock?

Who knows, maybe you can fit in the Warlock and Radiant One parts into your idea and make it a nightmare.

Nice.  And revenant make perfectly fine warlocks, and the only thing gained by being a sorc is the 2d6+3 (10 unless i'm missing something?), and without Dex the powers lack any good damage.

I'll build this as a Revenant Battlemind|Warlock then.

What is your pre-revenant race? Genasi can deal damage equal to your psychic resistance as a backlash, and Kalashtar can deal 5+WIS mod damage as their backlash. 

Feb 19, 2011 -- 8:48AM, Reg06 wrote:

What is your pre-revenant race? Genasi can deal damage equal to your psychic resistance as a backlash, and Kalashtar can deal 5+WIS mod damage as their backlash. 

I'd also check out longtooth shifter (combined with plagued regeneration + rapid regeneration) as a pre-revenant race -> 6+3+9+6 necrotic, radiant and fire damage to all adjecent at the end of your turn.

Feb 19, 2011 -- 8:48AM, Reg06 wrote:

What is your pre-revenant race?

Currently, Shadar-Kai, for Deathless Warrior.  Though it originally for reapers touch.

Genasi can deal damage equal to your psychic resistance as a backlash, and Kalashtar can deal 5+WIS mod damage as their backlash. 

Can't do genasi.  The soul feat only gives you the power, not the manifistation, nor do i see a good way to get psychic resist.

Kalashtar seems nice, more to prevent enemies from dazing then anything else.

I'd also check out longtooth shifter (combined with plagued regeneration + rapid regeneration) as a pre-revenant race -> 6+3+9+6 necrotic, radiant and fire damage to all adjecent at the end of your turn.

24 auto-damage, as well as the regen is a strong possibility, though at 3 feats it's pricy.  Not sure about the plague scar requirement though.

Think i'll go for the Kalashtar, but i'll make a note about the longtooth.

Feb 19, 2011 -- 10:14AM, mellored wrote:

Can't do genasi.  The soul feat only gives you the power, not the manifistation, nor do i see a good way to get psychic resist.

 
You can. Just take the Extra Manifestation feat. It doesn't currently (?) have Elemental Manifestation as a prerequisite.

This build reminds me of the Swordmage|Warlock build that uses Hellish Rebuke and Aegis of Assault to put the marked enemy in a catch-22 situation, where the enemy is basically going to be hit with an out-of-turn attack.  I noticed the only two powers you bothered mentioning were Hellish Rebuke and Lightning Rush, so I wondered if you had that in mind.  LR only has a range of 5, versus the Aegis range of 10.  But LR can redirect the attack to you, while AoA does nothing to stop the attack.  You also have to wait until 7th level to pull it off, but it might be worth it to develop the build that way.  Just an idea anyways.

Apr 7, 2011 -- 5:05PM, Raconteur02 wrote:

Feb 19, 2011 -- 10:14AM, mellored wrote:

Can't do genasi.  The soul feat only gives you the power, not the manifistation, nor do i see a good way to get psychic resist.

You can. Just take the Extra Manifestation feat. It doesn't currently (?) have Elemental Manifestation as a prerequisite.

Yea, i noticed that later too, but quori backlash is simply better.

Apr 7, 2011 -- 7:18PM, Squad wrote:

This build reminds me of the Swordmage|Warlock build that uses Hellish Rebuke and Aegis of Assault to put the marked enemy in a catch-22 situation, where the enemy is basically going to be hit with an out-of-turn attack.  I noticed the only two powers you bothered mentioning were Hellish Rebuke and Lightning Rush, so I wondered if you had that in mind.  LR only has a range of 5, versus the Aegis range of 10.  But LR can redirect the attack to you, while AoA does nothing to stop the attack.  You also have to wait until 7th level to pull it off, but it might be worth it to develop the build that way.  Just an idea anyways.

It could certinaly be a nice build (edrich strike for nice control), but the whole point of this one is to deal damage when it get's hit.  Nothing forces enemies to attack you better then lightning rush.

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I would look at MC'ing Wizard for this 2nd lvl Utility:

Guardian Blades

Three spectral blades appear around you, floating in a ring that wards away your foes.

Daily        Arcane, Fear
Minor Action      Personal

Effect:  Until the end of the encounter or until you become unconscious, each  enemy adjacent to you that makes an attack roll takes force damage equal  to your Intelligence modifier. No enemy can take this damage more than  once per turn.

Not sure if you MC wizard if it also lets you use Wizard implements? If so grab Staff Expertise so you don't get OA's on ranged attacks and a reach extended on your melee attacks.

An ED in HoS has a capstone feature where an enemy who hits you has to save or take half damage of whatever they deal you. Pretty much the penultimate retributive damage feature.

Apr 12, 2011 -- 9:40AM, Reg06 wrote:

An ED in HoS has a capstone feature where an enemy who hits you has to save or take half damage of whatever they deal you. Pretty much the penultimate retributive damage feature.

The current ED is adding up to 85 damage, and at 21.

The other would only add about 40 (base) x .5 (half) X .5 (save) = 10  (unless you can do something to the saves).  Which really isn't that much.

Ah yes, which is what I get for not reading the whole build before posting. 

If you would do this with Morninglord+Radiant One, every instance of passive damage should ping radiant vulnerability seperately, since Radiant One's bonus damage is so beautifully broken, right?

Bonus question: Do Rings of circling fangs stack like this?

Thanks for sending me here, Mellored. Brought many new ideas to my mind.


Edit: I just saw that you already built it with Radiant One. Stacking radiant and if possible fire vul would be overkill, tho, if it works as i'm assuming above. 

Mar 13, 2013 -- 3:34PM, pinkisthenewred wrote:

If you would do this with Morninglord+Radiant One, every instance of passive damage should ping radiant vulnerability seperately, since Radiant One's bonus damage is so beautifully broken, right?

Bonus question: Do Rings of circling fangs stack like this?

Thanks for sending me here, Mellored. Brought many new ideas to my mind.


Edit: I just saw that you already built it with Radiant One. Stacking radiant and if possible fire vul would be overkill, tho, if it works as i'm assuming above. 

Avenging haunt can be replaced for morning lord easy enough.

Yes, rings stack.  Each a seperate instance.

Mellored, do you (or anybody else) have an idea how to force enemies to attack a Retaliator-like build? Everything seems like christmas compared to actually attacking a vulnerability-optimized Retaliator. The only thing i've got in mind is a (quite costly) certain method Zathris showed me to make clumped enemies unable to shift at-will, so they would provoke an OA at least (If you isolate them from your allies, of course and if they can't teleport). Anything else?

Feb 18, 2011 -- 3:48PM, mellored wrote:

Doing as much damage when hit as possible.

If she hits someone with hellish rebuke, and that creature makes a melee attack which (dazed, dominates, or deals psycic damage) and reduces her to 0 or fewer...
The Retaliator deals... Show

30 thunder (Stormhawk Vengence)
8 fire (white lotus riposte)
17 (Quori Backlash)
2d6+14 fire (Hellish Rebuke)
10 force (Ring of circling fangs)
10 force (Ring of circling fangs)
10 force (Ring of circling fangs + Mummified hand)
10 force (Ring of circling fangs + Many finged gloves)
6 (Pact blade longsword)
6 (Pact blade wrist razor)
6 necrotic (Evil Eye Fetish)
1d10 (Iron of Spite)
+ a free attack (white lotus master riposte)
+7 fire and radiant for each (12) = 84 (Radiant One)

223.5 auto-damage (+ another hellish rebuke).

You can probably expect about 1/2 (e.g. 100) on average.

I think I'm missing something here, but I don't see how you're getting this to work.
If you're reduced to 0 or fewer, you're still dazed, even though you're conscious and have a standard action (or more from feats). So, if you're dazed, how do you get the WLMR immediate action, or the Lightning Rush immediate action, or generally get the build to work? If you're relying on it working from turn 1, you haven't got them cursed, and you're neither bloodied nor below 0, so most of your additional sources of damage don't work. It seems to me that you're going to have different elements working in different situations - although they're all awesome elements! - rather than be able to stack all the things you have listed. I'm not sure that being below 0 is actually ideal for this build, even though a lot of elements rely on it.

Of course, once you get Superior Will which you have listed at 24 you have a chance of not being dazed, so if that's your answer do you think the build would actually work in play before then?

Revenant + Sub-Zero-Cheese. Mostly Ghostly Vitality.


Edit: None of the elements of subzerocheese says that you're NOT dazed, tho, if im not missing something. It only says that you get Standard+minor+move (even tho you're dazed), nothing about out of turn actions. So you made me wondering, as well...

Could someone please clear this up? I guess we're just missing something, but if one would still be dazed, that would've some impact, since that would mean -2 AC and would make OAs and IAs impossible.

ellored, do you (or anybody else) have an idea how to force enemies to attack a Retaliator-like build?

This is more a list of everything i could find that did retalating damage then an attempt at a functional build.  But it is a battlemind, with lighting rush.

If you're reduced to 0 or fewer, you're still dazed, even though you're conscious and have a standard action (or more from feats). So, if you're dazed, how do you get the WLMR immediate action, or the Lightning Rush immediate action, or generally get the build to work?

If you start below 0, and pre-save from superior will, your not dazed.  Stormhawk vengence doesn't care.

But yea, your not likely to get all the bonuses.  Hence why i said expect about half on any given attack.

I missed both, first, that Sup Will is so beautifully broken and second that this build already is a Battlemind. Wasn't attentive enough, when i read the first page... Thanks for answering, anyway.

Mar 24, 2013 -- 11:35AM, mellored wrote:

ellored, do you (or anybody else) have an idea how to force enemies to attack a Retaliator-like build?

This is more a list of everything i could find that did retalating damage then an attempt at a functional build.  But it is a battlemind, with lighting rush.

If you're reduced to 0 or fewer, you're still dazed, even though you're conscious and have a standard action (or more from feats). So, if you're dazed, how do you get the WLMR immediate action, or the Lightning Rush immediate action, or generally get the build to work?

If you start below 0, and pre-save from superior will, your not dazed.  Stormhawk vengence doesn't care.

But yea, your not likely to get all the bonuses.  Hence why i said expect about half on any given attack.

Ahh, I misunderstood that part, I thought you meant you'll be getting a chance to make an interrupt attack in roughly every second round, and I couldn't see how you'd be doing that (off-turn) if you're only not-dazed in your own turn due to Sup Will. Thanks for clarifying, and I always like it when people tell me I'm right

I really like the concept btw, and I think you've done a great job with it!