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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 6:05AM #1
MaximumHavoc
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Legends and Lore: An Introduction
by Mike Mearls

"If we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find we have lost the future."

Talk about this Column here.

 
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 7:46AM #2
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Wow, very well written and right on the mark. Thx Mr. Mearls
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 10:13AM #3
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I for one plan to take his advice to heart, and not engage in pointless arguments anymore.  We all play D&D because we (and our friends) enjoy it.  The specifics of the rules don't matter; the point is that you are playing D&D.
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 11:06AM #4
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Feb 15, 2011 -- 10:13AM, Arithezoo wrote:

The specifics of the rules don't matter; the point is that you are playing D&D.


Unless you're playing Pathfinder, of course.



Kidding. Truly.

Mealrs has echoed my thoughts on this (or maybe I have channeled his?) and I look forward to the evolution of this column.

Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion:
  • Three Basic Rules (p 11)
  • Power Types and Usage (p 54)
  • Skills (p178-179)
  • Feats (p 192)
  • Rest and Recovery (p 263)
  • All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)

A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 11:35AM #5
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I'm not a big fan of reconciliation between the 3.5 edition and 4th fan base. If Wizards 4th edition had a stronger position and hadn't failed to loose players to Paizo/3.5, then we wouldn't be reading about us all getting along better. It's shows weakness.

That said- if there is one person capable of repairing the rift it is Mike Mearls. I hope he succeeds- for if he doesn't, it can really backfire. I just hope 4th stays 4th and that there isn't too much back peddling towards previous editions.
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 12:02PM #6
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hunterian, I think the "rift" you have emphasized is the norm for any edition change. The only differences between now and the "rift" created by the publication of 3e are:
  • Paizo, a 3rd party company, took advantage of the opportunity presented by the new edition to do what Hackmaster did when 3e came out -- make a game that caters to previous edition players (even if Hackmaster started out as a comic joke).
  • Far more players were actively involved on the D&D publisher forums in the 3e to 4e transition than were involved during the 2e to 3e transition.
  • Widespread internet access allows many more people to share their displeasure.
  • WotC is much more tolerant of the anti-X comments than many other gaming forums.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion:
  • Three Basic Rules (p 11)
  • Power Types and Usage (p 54)
  • Skills (p178-179)
  • Feats (p 192)
  • Rest and Recovery (p 263)
  • All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)

A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 12:31PM #7
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Feb 15, 2011 -- 12:02PM, Seeker95 wrote:

  • WotC is much more tolerant of the anti-X comments than many other gaming forums.



This.

If there is one thing that WotC can and should be admired for (and I think there are many) is their quiet confidence.

WotC is very self sure about the product they create, and don't feel the need to shut down dissenting opinion.  Whether or not you agree that they deserve that confidence is another question entirely.  Plenty of people think WotC produces utter crap, but WotC is content to let their products speak for themselves.  This doesn't make them immune from making crap, but it does mean they don't endlessly hype their product (compared to some companies) and they don't denigrate the competition.  They make their products, release them, and say "We think these are awesome.  If we didn't, then we wouldn't have made them.  Hope you think they are awesome, too."

For example, I love 4e as a whole, but really dislike Essentials and Fortune Cards.  No one has tried to shut me up, delete my posts etc.

For all their faults, I really respect this aspect of WotC as a company.

Essentials zigged, when I wanted to continue zagging.

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 12:49PM #8
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That article rocked in so many ways. Well done, Mike!
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 12:56PM #9
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Feb 15, 2011 -- 11:06AM, Seeker95 wrote:

Feb 15, 2011 -- 10:13AM, Arithezoo wrote:

The specifics of the rules don't matter; the point is that you are playing D&D.


Unless you're playing Pathfinder, of course.

Kidding. Truly.




In think that when Mearls refferenced "3rd Edition and its descendants" he was talking about 3.5 and Pathfinder.  Hence the "s" at the back of the word "descendants".

I feel pretty bad for Mike.  He's being put in a really rough situation here.

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2011 - 1:22PM #10
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Damon, perhaps my "Kidding. Truly." comment you omitted from your quote escaped your notice. I would like you to edit your reply because taking the quote out of context (trimming it as you did) gives the impression that I was saying that Pathfinder is not D&D. Which I was not.

Thank you!
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion:
  • Three Basic Rules (p 11)
  • Power Types and Usage (p 54)
  • Skills (p178-179)
  • Feats (p 192)
  • Rest and Recovery (p 263)
  • All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)

A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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