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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 7:49AM
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Seriously? We're going to censor the boards now?
I'm not censoring you. I'm not asking any authority to censor you. I'm asking you to step away from the fan board if your general feeling is negative. Your comments have indicated a general displeasure with Gamma World. Your comments are emphasizing the negative, and you appear to be blind to the positive. So if you are that dissatisfied with the product, why are you here?
Ummm, He's here because he liked the product originally, he put tons of work into making something for the gaming community. And this is a Gamma World board, not a Gamma World Fan Board, there is a difference. He has just as much right to complain as you do to enjoy the game. Maybe he likes the product a lot and he feels like the errors show just how little WotC cares and that upsets him. Sense he hasn't said anything truly offensive I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to voice an opinion.
Right on...
Why did the hoop cross the road?
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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 7:57AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2001
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[Sense he hasn't said anything truly offensive I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to voice an opinion.
I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to.
I'm just suggesting that if he is no longer enjoying the game, perhaps he should just step away from it.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 10:23AM
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Date Joined:
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I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to.
I'm just suggesting that if he is no longer enjoying the game, perhaps he should just step away from it.
I enjoy the game plenty. I just have a problem with the low quality of the editing on Legion of Gold. I love how you took one comment I made and turned it into a "general feeling" I had that was negative. I suggest that you worry about yourself and stop telling other people how to go about their business.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 10:56AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2001
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I love how you took one comment I made and turned it into a "general feeling" I had that was negative.
One comment? The only comments you have made in the past two weeks have been negative. The only positive comments you've made in the month of February have been about your Originas half sheets (which are great, by the way). But one comment? If the only thing you had voiced was a displeasure with the editing of LoG, my impression of your feelings toward the game would be inappropriate. But it is not o"one comment" on the editing of LoG. It's a series of negative comments, each growing broader in scope than the editing of a single product:
You don't see record companies misspelling song names or letting a junky drum track slide just because an artist is "an experimental side product" or "has fewer resources to work with."
It's clear that WotC doesn't take nearly enough pride in products like LoG (or the whole Gamma World line, for that matter).
If I was Rich Baker or Bruce Cordell, I'd be embarrassed at the way the final product turned out.
WotC knows they can shove whatever crap they want out the door and it'll still sell.
If you do enjoy the game, then step back from the negative comments instead of from the Boards. Your negative comments have already begun to feed themselves into more negative comments.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 11:13AM
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[Sense he hasn't said anything truly offensive I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to voice an opinion.
I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to.
I'm just suggesting that if he is no longer enjoying the game, perhaps he should just step away from it.
I don't see how not liking LoG is the same as not likeing Gamma World altogether.
He didn't start a thread saying, Gamma World sucks, I hope WotC scraps the product altogether. It seems he's more interested in the fact that WotC doesn't seem to be even taking the slightest look at their products before they decide to ship them.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 11:44AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2001
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I don't see how not liking LoG is the same as not likeing Gamma World altogether.
I don't either. I'm only basing my feedback on the things that he has written:
- His only complaint about LoG has been the editing.
- This editing displeasure appears to be sufficient for him to consider not even purchasing it.
- This editing displeasure appears to extend to all of Gamma World.
It's clear that WotC doesn't take nearly enough pride in products like LoG (or the whole Gamma World line, for that matter). Because if they did, they'd correct all the glaring errors.
So I agree with you. I don't see how not liking LoG is the saame thing as not liking Gamma World altogether, but he seems to have lumped the entire game into the same category as Legion of Gold, all because of editing errors.
It is possible that what we have witnessed is merely the unfortunate coincidence of a single post during a bad mood, a detail-oriented observer (who is an editor by profession), and a conversation topic escalated by all participants to a status much larger than anyone intended.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 11:46AM
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Dec 25, 2010
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What kind of editing do you do?
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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 11:58AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2001
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What kind of editing do you do?
Currently I'm working on four medical books with an emphasis on HIV. Here's a link to last year's edition of a book that I am doing the current edition for: MMHIV.
But in general, just about anything that pays my rate.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 12:11PM
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Dec 25, 2010
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You are freelance? I ask because I'm in a grad program for writing and publishing and may take an editing class next quarter.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2011 - 9:50PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 16, 2008
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[Sense he hasn't said anything truly offensive I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to voice an opinion.
I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to.
I'm just suggesting that if he is no longer enjoying the game, perhaps he should just step away from it.
If you are not enjoying his posts, why do you comment on them? Why can't you just post positively in support of what he's saying instead of being negative and telling him that his views are wrong?
AAAAAAnyway. I'm not happy with the lack of proper editing on the product, I don't care if there is one person doing it all and he's tied to the back of an enraged donkey or if there are fifty thousand people doing the editing and they're all hitting on brubbas.
The short and sweet fact of the matter at hand is that someone, somewhere really dropped the ball in the editing department on Gamma World. It's simple enough to read through and catch the blinding issues in LoG but less so in the core book where it describes rules that do not appear anywhere in the book.
If a game is touted as being a standalone product, it should have all the rules necessary to play that game. It should not be secretly assumed that everyone who buys the game will have the Rules Compendium. And if they have an errata board set up for the game, they should read over the errata reports and do something about it instead of remaining quiet and not producing errata.
WotC is one of the worst offenders of the "push it out the door, it's done regardless" syndrome. It shows in the Encounters products, Game Day products, and in their standard products. I guess when you're one of the leaders in the area, you can afford to ignore your customer base and just do whatever diddly you want and call it done.
At least they've produced errata for D&D and updated the rules. You won't see that happen for Gamma World since all indications are that it's not important to them. Therein lies our heartache.
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