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Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

Hey everybody,

Hi there!

Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

as it is clearly to see on those boards here, people are frustrated.

People are always frustrated on these forums.

Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

There are no releases, the concept failed with essentials. The "core-world" of Points of light was poorly executed and other aspects of 4e didnt work.

Yes there are, I dont think it did, I liked it becaues it was enough but clearly campaign settings are a dime a dozen and alot of DMs do their own thing anyways.

Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

Paizo did really well with Pathfinder and focusing on the Core World Golarion.

Good for them, they seem to be good for the adventure writing and world building.

Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

There are already threats asking what to do with the D&D License.

There are threaDs about lots of things here.

Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

We just started with 4e and are not long time fans, the Red Box was our first game and we liked it.

Im happy to hear that.

Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

Paizo is now working on something like the Red Box. Just looking at the website and boards there is a huge difference in quality.

I can imagine there might be.

Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

Do you think it would be the best solution for Paizo to take the D&D license and give the players back what they deserve?

What do we deserve?

Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

Attention, Playtests and quality releases as pdf and books instead of buggy 10$ a month silverlight(?) character creators.

Oh that stuff.

1. You can only give a hoard so much attention.
2. We do get playtest articles,  as well as the new DDI beta testers group it seems like people are being heard.
3. eh, i have to agree with this one, i want to have these.
4. the CB fworks fine and is getting better. 

Feb 10, 2011 -- 11:51AM, mteich79 wrote:

Hey everybody,

as it is clearly to see on those boards here, people are frustrated.

There are no releases, the concept failed with essentials. The "core-world" of Points of light was poorly executed and other aspects of 4e didnt work.

Paizo did really well with Pathfinder and focusing on the Core World Golarion.

There are already threats asking what to do with the D&D License.

We just started with 4e and are not long time fans, the Red Box was our first game and we liked it.

Paizo is now working on something like the Red Box. Just looking at the website and boards there is a huge difference in quality.

Do you think it would be the best solution for Paizo to take the D&D license and give the players back
what they deserve? Attention, Playtests and quality releases as pdf and books instead of buggy 10$ a month silverlight(?) character creators.

well, IME gamers (especially TTRPG gamer) are a very fickle bunch. we tend to grab onto a system and not let go. go check out dragonsfoot.org for people who don't care about the last 2, or maybe even 3 editions. yes people are frustrated, but i can assure you that 3rd ed was not all roses, rainbows and unicorn farts.

and i can assure you that 2nd ed had lots of people who were frustrated.

now back on topic, seeing as how paizo has done very little with ruleset to convince me that they should have control over the IP...

no. WotC is at least trying something new with the IP, which is more then i can say about the previous owners (each new "edition" was more akin to cleaning up the messes found in the previous one) or paizo (who's system was created by someone else, all they are doing is adapting it).

if i wanted to play old D&D, i would play old D&D. thing is, i don't want to play old D&D. i've played old D&D. i'm tired of old D&D. i'm ready for new D&D.

PF is not new D&D. it's 3.5 with another coat of paint. pathfinder hasn't shown me any indication that paizo wants the game to evolve.

paizo had an opportunity to do something different, instead they released a set of houserules that barely addresses the actual problems with the system (or at least my problems) and their supported world has yet to strike my creative juices in the way Eberron or Dark Sun has (IE: Golarion feels too "generic fantasy" for my tastes. i've got Grayhawk, FR, Dragonlance, etc... for my generic fantasy worlds already).

like i said, they had an opportunity and to me they let it slip. i wish them luck with PF, but it's a boat i've no intention of sailing on.

if they do get the D&D IP, and instead of doing something interesting they turn it into Dungeons & Pathfinders with 5th ed (or whatever), i'll get my gaming fix elsewhere.

Feb 10, 2011 -- 12:19PM, JamesMcMurray wrote:

Feb 10, 2011 -- 12:12PM, Herrozerro wrote:

People are always frustrated on these forums.

Fixed it for ya.

thanks, something felt wrong about my post, i couldnt put my finger on it.

Started playing AD&D with 1st edition.  Consider myself a loyal customer, and I really enjoy the tactical aspects of 4e even though if feels like a totally different game.  

That being said, I feel like Hasbro needs to give the developer more resources to do what they gotta do.  I think WoTC are talented and they obviously are very passionate about the game.  TTRPG are a really niche market, and it could be that everything Hasbro wants WoTC to do is directed at changing that.  This would have the effect of changing D&D and taking it futher from the game I use to play.  

Paizo has some awesome developers.  I don't play PF, but I'm thinking about starting it, mostly cause I really like the tone of their forums (players and devs).  Their quality is top notch.  Not sure about their game math (3.5 is often referred to as difficult to manage, DM wise), but I love the feel of reading their books.  It feels like the DnD of old to me.  

But unless the DnD brand sinks (losing a ton of money) Paizo will never be able to afford it.  So the only reason to bring it up is to encourage an edition war.  

Personally, I wished I felt the same inspiration from most 4e products that I do from PF books.   Designers at both Paizo and WoTC are great designers, speaking generally.  I prefer Paizo's product and their ability to speak with their customers more directly (since they are a much smaller operation).  

It's almost like mom and pop shops vs. Walmart.  Mom and pop shops are great, but its hard for them to compete in almost any aspect, except customer service and personalization.