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2 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2011 - 4:47PM
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There have been a lot of identified problems since the release of the game. We have yet to see errata/rules updates. Should we be expecting some? Or are there no plans for rules updates?
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2 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2011 - 9:01AM
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The identified "problems" have been pretty minuscule. Most of them are simply typos or clarifications (similar to most of the 4e errata). I would suggest that rather than worry about WotC coming up with "official errata" we just compile a set of our own and make it a linkable living document.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2011 - 2:14PM
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I would suggest that rather than worry about WotC coming up with "official errata" we just compile a set of our own and make it a linkable living document.
Which is pretty much what this board is all about. Gotta love the GW community here!
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2 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2011 - 5:04PM
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Date Joined:
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CG: Quite true! 
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2011 - 5:38PM
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Though the community is usefull and strong, most of the issues I'm sure the OP is talking about have produced amusing levels of debate for a game featuring mutant chickens. I'd imagine they are hoping for a more solid list of answers that don't break down into "some of us do this, some of us do that, so you do whatever since its all good at your table." 
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2 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2011 - 9:59PM
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Though the community is usefull and strong, most of the issues I'm sure the OP is talking about have produced amusing levels of debate for a game featuring mutant chickens. I'd imagine they are hoping for a more solid list of answers that don't break down into "some of us do this, some of us do that, so you do whatever since its all good at your table."
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2 years ago ::
Jan 29, 2011 - 6:18AM
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Well, I guess we could sit around waiting for WotC to spoon feed the official solutions to the really small percentage of us that even know there is such a thing as game errata. But while sitting, I suggest we not hold our breath.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 29, 2011 - 9:21AM
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OP here.
If we produce out own errata/rules update and then WotC does, it creates confusion and - potentially - frustration. I'd rather know if official rules updates are coming rather than make my own and then need to change them to accomodate the WotC rulings. And I think we're pretty far from a concensus in terms of what needs to be changed and how it needs to be changed.
I was pretty frustrated when I went through the rule book and cards and noticed a number of problems and rules that needed clarification. If I spot them on my first time through in a casual glance, how can they not have been picked up by really basic editing efforts? I don't expect perfection from WotC, but I do expect better than we've seen in the past few years from WotC in their RPG products.
Andwhen you top that off with a lackof communication and follow-through with errata/rules updates, it is maddening.
D&D & Boardgames
If I have everything I need to run great games for many years without repeating stuff, why do I need to buy anything right now?
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2 years ago ::
Jan 29, 2011 - 11:28AM
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If I spot them on my first time through in a casual glance, how can they not have been picked up by really basic editing efforts?
(I have answered this question so many times that I should probably just save it in my sig.)
Ever work in a multi-layer, multi-product publishing environment? You and I have the advantage of seeing the finished product, something copy editors don't see until it is back from the printer. Between designers, managing editors, copy editors, layout editors, and non-editors, the product content that any given editor gets to see is so far removed from the finally-sent-to-the-printers copy that half the mistakes they find have already been resolved, and the other half are no longer found in the same paragraph/column/page/chapter.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 29, 2011 - 5:30PM
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...Ever work in a multi-layer, multi-product publishing environment? You and I have the advantage of seeing the finished product, something copy editors don't see until it is back from the printer. Between designers, managing editors, copy editors, layout editors, and non-editors, the product content that any given editor gets to see is so far removed from the finally-sent-to-the-printers copy that half the mistakes they find have already been resolved, and the other half are no longer found in the same paragraph/column/page/chapter.
That is an explanation as to why the errors are present, not an excuse. PLENTY of other publishers have higher quaity product without similar problems. There are people with jobs that are specifically devoted to avoiding these types of mistakes. Regardless of whether a system makes it harder or easier, it is still their job. These problems could have been avoided and should have been avoided.
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If I have everything I need to run great games for many years without repeating stuff, why do I need to buy anything right now?
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