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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 5:03AM
#111
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I don't want the D&DI to go away, I had great hopes for it at the start, which is why I subscribed for two years. I just can't bring myself to continue to pay for a service they just don't provide anymore and how they mislead (intentionally or otherwise) their customers about working on new adventure tools while in fact they were redesigning the wheel (to be square).
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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 5:04AM
#112
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I don't want the D&DI to go away, I had great hopes for it at the start, which is why I subscribed for two years. I just can't bring myself to continue to pay for a service they just don't provide anymore and how they mislead (intentionally or otherwise) their customers about working on new adventure tools while in fact they were redesigning the wheel (to be square).
And I agree, you shouldn't, because it doesn't meet your standards or needs. I hope in time it does.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 6:15AM
#113
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Date Joined:
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Kenjoon, you fail at arguing.
You are arguing vehemently about semantics. Being a grammar fiend doesn't change the point that was being made.
Which point is that exactly?
The point that the current feature set of an unreleased product is lacking dramatically? Noted and completely irrelevant until release.
Perhaps it was the point that we don't have access to it yet? That can't be it.
To expound on your Restaurant metaphor, let me clarify:
We've ordered (and already paid for our meal) at a Benihana's type restaurant, where the chef is some kind of performance artist who artistically crafts your food before your very eyes on a Hibachi with dramatic displays of juggling and culinary artistry.
Did WotC put cameras in the programmer's cubicles? I'm not sure that watching people write code is anywhere near as entertaining as what you get at Benihana.
Unfortunately, our chef happens to be a lazy rich boy, who really doesn't know how to cook at all, much less juggle shrimp tails. He's trying to pass it off by dramatically waving his knife and spatula in front of our faces to distract us, but it's really not working.
Our appetizer has gone stale (some might say it has completely rotted) before our very eyes. We are left with plates full of inedible food.
The plate is empty. No food has been served. How exactly do you benefit from complaining about your food before it's on your plate?
And the main course we ordered? The one that the chef changed because he thought we would like it better? He has finally managed to put the ingredients on the Hibachi, and they stink. They smell foul. We can't even identify what the ingredients are, but they're certainly not anything we want in our mouths.
As for your mewling about has been/will be/is being:
When a death row inmate is on their way to be executed, the phrase "Dead Man/Woman Walking" is used. Implying that they are already dead. Obviously they are not, but the implication is that their impending demise is a certainty.
So a man/woman who is making their walk to be executed (you know...sometime in the next 30 minutes or so) is somehow a valid comparison to a tool that isn't done, hasn't been released, and doesn't even have a set release date yet? Is that your argument?
What WOTC has come up with to (eventually) replace their abandoned former Adventure Tools software is a steaming pile of manure that fails at the most key feature of D&D: Customizability. Obviously there are many other things it fails at, but that is the one that really sticks at the back of my throat and is hard to swallow. It's GOING to be forced down our gullets though, and I'm not looking forward to it.
Your entire post is nothing more than "the sky is falling". Hope that works out well for you. And if the sky really is falling I suggest you get out of the way (cancel your sub immediately and get your refund).
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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 6:26AM
#114
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Date Joined:
Sep 13, 2007
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I am sorry to say this, but as a beta tester I really doubt your definition of "soon" in this matter. The tool has been available for us for one week now and they haven't done any updates so far. The way it is now, it is nowhere near completion if the goal is to at least be as good as the old tool in terms of customization. The speed in which they add new features to it will indicate it's release. As for now, Feb./March is no option at all unless you are talking about 2012.
This is of course only my oppinion, but the way it is now, you don't want this tool to be released that early.
When I said Feb/March I meant 1 or 2 months. Since the initial release was near the end of Jan, that would put it at the end of Feb or March. It is possible they drag it out to three months, but I don't think that will happen. But hey...it is just my guess. An educated guess, but a guess just the same.
As to a week with no updates...you must not be in software development.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 6:35AM
#115
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Date Joined:
Sep 13, 2007
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You mean like they just have to add the GUI elements to enable inherent bonus and a load of other features in the OCB because the framework is there.... hows that coming along? Two updates and nothing.
Bug fixes and stability are more important than "missing features". And really the list is so long you could pick anything they haven't done yet which makes this kind of a straw man argument. The real question is whether or not they learned anything from the CB release and we get the new MB as it is now, or they wait until it's close to feature parity or somewhere in between.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 7:21AM
#116
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Date Joined:
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So a man/woman who is making their walk to be executed (you know...sometime in the next 30 minutes or so) is somehow a valid comparison to a tool that isn't done, hasn't been released, and doesn't even have a set release date yet? Is that your argument?
I think it is safe to assume his "Dead Man Walking" comment was in reference to the Offline Monster Builder. You keep claiming it's current and has a latest update, but really it's already dead.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 7:34AM
#117
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I am sorry to say this, but as a beta tester I really doubt your definition of "soon" in this matter. The tool has been available for us for one week now and they haven't done any updates so far. The way it is now, it is nowhere near completion if the goal is to at least be as good as the old tool in terms of customization. The speed in which they add new features to it will indicate it's release. As for now, Feb./March is no option at all unless you are talking about 2012.
This is of course only my oppinion, but the way it is now, you don't want this tool to be released that early.
...Since the initial release was near the end of Jan, that would put it at the end of Feb or March. It is possible they drag it out to three months, but I don't think that will happen...
Did I miss any official announcement that stated anything about this "release"? If so, please help me out and send me the link(s), so I can get an idea on which basis you get to this conclusion.
As to a week with no updates...you must not be in software development.
You might have missed my reason for mentioning the fact of not having seen an updated yet. It was an initiation for my thesis, that the speed in which updates are provided might be a hint on the releasedate.
D&D Outsider since Nov 18th 2010, if you wonder about the little red dragon, this one is dedicated to the great VT community.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 8:06AM
#118
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Date Joined:
Jun 24, 2008
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So a man/woman who is making their walk to be executed (you know...sometime in the next 30 minutes or so) is somehow a valid comparison to a tool that isn't done, hasn't been released, and doesn't even have a set release date yet? Is that your argument?
I think it is safe to assume his "Dead Man Walking" comment was in reference to the Offline Monster Builder. You keep claiming it's current and has a latest update, but really it's already dead.
This. Just because you can download an old database for it doesn't mean it's functional. They pulled support for it before releasing the replacement. It's dead in the water.
And folks... can I suggest leaving off the metaphors? Metaphor in internet argument is a waste of time. Every single one is going to lead to a new derailment as people nitpick over the details.
[20:53] [SadisticFish] yeah  Llamas convinced me
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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 10:29AM
#119
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Date Joined:
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While i agree with all the other arguments, i cant see the logic of this one.
Here is a tool that has ALL the crunch in pretty much ALL the products, printed or otherwise, updated regularly and with good search tools.
If you go by the printed value alone, the Compendium by itself is worth the subscription value alone.
The new Compendium search tools are NOT good. The original one seemed to offer much more flexibility. The new one is garbage compared to what it used to be.
(for example, go ahead and try to find an easy way to select out all Skill Powers)
However, the Compendium remains the only real reason to continue with a DDI subscription. It is a single site that compiles all the data from the myriad sources that are constantly expanding.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 02, 2011 - 10:51AM
#120
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Date Joined:
Sep 13, 2007
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Did I miss any official announcement that stated anything about this "release"? If so, please help me out and send me the link(s), so I can get an idea on which basis you get to this conclusion.
Since you apparently haven't been following the entire conversation I was referring to the "release" of the online MB to those in the VTT closed beta test.
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