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2 years ago ::
Jan 14, 2011 - 6:25PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 15, 2009
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Really? Right now I want someone to explain to me what the value of my dollar is buying, because in the last 5 months, it seems like I've been investing in hopes and dreams that will never come. So let's list what we get, and how I use the various services:
Compendium: Used to be, something like this was provided for free. I don't see why it isn't. There used to be a site called d20srd.org(It's still there, btw) that had all the information for any reference you needed to look up. It was cumbersome to build a character or anything from it, but if you needed to look up a rule, or see the stats for something quick, you just found it and then went on with your day. I use this service all the time. Seriously, this is the last thing I have in my DDI content that I use with any regularity. But I am having a hard time with the concept of having to pay for it.
Character Builder: It's been beaten to death, and then some, I know, but it must be tread again here. I loved the Classic Character builder. Used it all the time. to make characters for fun, even if I didn't have a game to play them in. It had its bugs, sure, but most of them got fixed with relative promptness. the Online Builder is clunky, counter-intuitive, and cumbersome, not to mention slow as fresh molasses in December. I have built one character. I've imported one character. And I've experimented with one character. I cannot bear to deal with the OCB any more. This whole entire service is null and void to me, but I doubt I will get a "reduced subscription price" for not using this piece of trash. I use the Classic version that I have on my PCs, that I've already paid for in full, and is more functional(houserules) and faster(not fed through a slow as molasses server). And when/if I ever replace my computers, I will no doubt have to source a pirated version so that I can reinstall the software that I have already paid for, but is no longer provided for me by the publisher.
Monster Builder: At the moment, it's alright. As a player, I don't use it much anyway, but for the time being, it's there if I need it. Of course, I know that WOTC is developing an Online version, that will most certainly be plagued by all of the drawbacks of their OCB(Slow, Cumbersome, No Customization).
- D&D Magazine: This week's article selection was the clincher for me posting this thread. For the past few months, the articles in both Dungeon and Dragon have been severely lacking in substance. This month, the way their scheduled release was revealed to the subscribers was changed. I was not happy about this. I can understand that last minute delays can come up and dates pushed back. This happens. But at least I had some idea of when something would be available, and depending on what the article was, I could be excited or nonchalant about it. I still read everything, but my excitement was built when it was a "Class Act" or "Winning Races" or something that directly related to one of my active characters, or an upcoming concept. As it is now, we get a post on Monday that says what is "expected" to come out in the following week. This week, I see five(5) articles scheduled for release. How many did we get? Two. TWO. TWO(2)! DOS! NEE! DEUX! ZWEI! For you math minors, that's less than half of the projected amount. Less than 50% on just about any spectrum of completion is a FAILURE.
So... If the Compendium should be free, CharBuilder has been made unusable, Monster Builder is on the same dooming path, and D&D Magazines can't provide content on time, much less with substance... WHY AM I PAYING FOR THIS?
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2 years ago ::
Jan 14, 2011 - 6:42PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 10, 2009
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I'd say the value of the service is about $2 a month at the moment. When I see it costing that much, I'll resubscribe.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 5:50AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 30, 2010
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Really? Right now I want someone to explain to me what the value of my dollar is buying, because in the last 5 months, it seems like I've been investing in hopes and dreams that will never come.
So let's list what we get, and how I use the various services:
Compendium: Used to be, something like this was provided for free. I don't see why it isn't. There used to be a site called d20srd.org(It's still there, btw) that had all the information for any reference you needed to look up. It was cumbersome to build a character or anything from it, but if you needed to look up a rule, or see the stats for something quick, you just found it and then went on with your day. I use this service all the time. Seriously, this is the last thing I have in my DDI content that I use with any regularity. But I am having a hard time with the concept of having to pay for it.
While i agree with all the other arguments, i cant see the logic of this one. Here is a tool that has ALL the crunch in pretty much ALL the products, printed or otherwise, updated regularly and with good search tools. If you go by the printed value alone, the Compendium by itself is worth the subscription value alone. And regarding d20srd.org, it contains Open Content alone (i hope, otherwise its just another pirate site), a license that allows distribution of that content; 4th ed content does NOT use that licence. Why should it be free?!
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 7:13AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
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The Compendium definitely doesn't have all the crunch. It has the vast majority yes, but by no means all.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 8:40AM
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Date Joined:
May 21, 2009
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I'm pretty much in agreement. Start of last year we were getting 20+ of the larger crunch heavy articles per magazine. We had a working and up to date character builder, monster builder and supposedly more adventure tools on the way.
Then they dropped to more frequent smaller articles, then they dropped from more chrunch to more fluff, then they cut the frequency back. Now they cut the relyablity.
Now we have a barely functional CB, an out of date MB (at least they fixed most of the bugs, but we've got all that to go through when they take it online), and thinning sickly magazines that can't even update on time. December's dragon output was down to 16 articles with the excuse that they were changing it in the new year and needed to get that in place, that would fix things. We get to January and we're down to 13 articles in Dragon, and they can't even stick to a weekly schedule as opposed to the monthly one we're used to.
So this is supposed to be a transition month? (another one) but when it's done given that we're still on the smaller fluffier articles will we see more articles? will have more than 20 articles in dragon in February?
Rubbish.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 10:33AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 24, 2008
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Yeah, this week was an epic failure. Another one. I completely understand the whole "bear with us while we work out the kinks/get a new project rolling" thing, but we're now up to, what, 5 or 6 months straight of it? New tools with less functionality that require a current subscription to use... possibly a way to force people to maintain a subscription despite the fact that there's no longer a reason to do so for content? I think so.
[20:53] [SadisticFish] yeah  Llamas convinced me
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 3:56PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 30, 2008
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Honestly, it's clear that the entirety of DDI is in flux. If paying for something that's in flux is anethema to you then I suggest you don't.
In my estimation I'm still getting my money's worth so I'm still subscribed.
and the SRD is an open source document so, yes. It's free.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 4:50PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 30, 2010
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and the SRD is an open source document so, yes. It's free.
One does not mean the other necessarily, nor does being open source gives it a license to use copyrighted material.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 5:40PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 11, 2003
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I don't agree that the compendium should be free. DDI's real worth, and it's only saving grace against the competition is the data itself. But yeah, the rest I agree with. DDI has been a series of disappointments, from the very start, but unacceptably so for the last 6-5 months. If I was ready to put up with it in the beginning for what convenience it offered, this is no longer the case. My patience and hope for improvement ran out with the step back that is the online CB, but really, they had been steadily eroded for longer than that. Sadly, the DDI management correctly evaluated that their customers would accept a 6 months standstill in the upgrade and evolution of the applications they are continuously paying for, and a decline in magazine content while the DDI staff remade everything to suit their needs with no net benefit to the customer. DDI was supposed to be:
- Great apps, with full data.
But after nearly 3 years, our options are:
- Great apps but no data, by 3rd parties;
- Almost full data but apps that aren't worth shitte, by WotC.
Not a whole lot to be enthused about. And to me, not worth the money.
Sebby "I'm a bonster. Rawr!"
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 6:23PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 30, 2008
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and the SRD is an open source document so, yes. It's free.
One does not mean the other necessarily, nor does being open source gives it a license to use copyrighted material.
Come on now. Let's not put too fine a point on it. I was painting it with a broad brush because the specifics of RPG licensing are a bit beyond the scope of this thread (IMHO of course)
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