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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 11:42AM #51
Tooky_G
Date Joined: Jun 11, 2007
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Jan 13, 2011 -- 11:30AM, Yaldabaoth wrote:

No... DDI stuff doesn't bring in NEW customers. Little kid curious about a book with [evil half-vampire who is ethnically vampiric and is a vampire as their profession] on the cover? That's a New Customer... a potential new DDI customer.

WotC needs hardbacks and high-spec items as physical copies, due to needing new players and laws of physics. [Can't print cards/cast plastic online.]




Home "printing" minis is the thing of the future.  Just wait until 3d "printers" are in every home.

"The problem is, and the source of all this 'errata' is the Wizards Play Network, or as I call the root of the problem, trying to balance a team-based-RPG like a competetive [sic] CCG. That is the problem." - OpsKT

"How I detest namby-pamby whiners that expect to play a real RPG without threat of character death or loss of a level, stat points, or even choice magic items!  Without such possibilities, what is the purpose of play, a race to see which character can have the greatest level, highest stats, and largest horde of treasure?  That is just too flaccid for words." - E. Gary Gygax.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 12:20PM #52
Tony_Vargas
Date Joined: Sep 26, 2001
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Jan 13, 2011 -- 11:30AM, Yaldabaoth wrote:

WotC needs hardbacks and high-spec items as physical copies, due to needing new players and laws of physics. [Can't print cards/cast plastic online.


Well, you can print 'cards,' tokens, or standies, you just need a glue stick and some cardstock for backing.

EDIT: And another thing... physical books are meant to be read, and WotC has emphased that they want their books to be "readable". You can sit down and read them for pleasure. Not as simple to do that with a list of magic items or feats.


Sorry to hear that.  That was the White Wolf way, their books were something you could just sit down and read - but just try looking something up durring a game (even if you found it, the rule would be worthless, anyway, they were just bad games, well-written bad games).  4e had been a good game.  A good game that read like a technical manual, but a good game.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 12:50PM #53
TonyF1330
Date Joined: Aug 27, 2010
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Poor Gabe, someone should have told him about his beloved minis before he walked past his local hobby shop yesterday:

www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/1/12/
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 12:58PM #54
santinj@
Date Joined: Sep 2, 2005
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Jan 13, 2011 -- 7:54AM, Dragnmoon wrote:

Get rid of the Dragon & Dungeon Compilations, makes me sad and a Little pissed. It was the last feel I had of the old Mags, and now that is gone. And also much easier to download 1 compiled "Monthly" file then individual articles. Please WotC, reconsider this.


It's also easier to pirate a monthly compilation. I bet this has more to do with their anti-piracy policy (a la getting rid of PDF versions at Paizo and elsewhere) than anything else.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 1:10PM #55
Gargoyle117
Date Joined: Jul 6, 2006
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This Ampersand honestly reads more like one of the "I quit D&D" posts than anything else.  No more compiled magazines.  Forget about books.  Minis are passe.  Don't worry though, we're making lots of board and card games though.

Content volume in the magazines and books has dropped off drastically.  There is little to look forward to in the RPG.  I hope you all like accessories.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 1:26PM #56
Mondragon
Date Joined: Sep 17, 2003
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- Fortune cards, aren't they awesome: No, not for me.  If I wanted to play a CCG, I'd play one.



I have mixed feeling about fortune cards. I like the idea, but I am fed up with random (and expensive) minis and I never got into the Magic thing. I also do not like the idea to buy them in stores. You will pay them more than online. 

- No more minis: Well, crap.  I was planning on starting to pick a few up when I finally come across some money.  Oh well, guess another company/eBay sellers will get my hard-earned.



I will buy some missing stuff on eBay. I have a large collection of minis (3500+) that I can use forever. As you can guess, I really prefer minis over tokens. However, the VT and selected collector's pack can change it. I really think they should sell adventures with their minis. By the way, I do not like and care about tiles since usually I print my maps with CC3 or use Fat Dragon Games stuff that I can print as many times as required.

- Heroes of Shadow pushed back to make it hardcover, and various other books 'removed from the schedule': Wow, that's crappy.



I will likely buy the DM screen, but I am not really interested in the last books left in the catalogue for the first semester of 2011. I am especially sad about the Nentir Vale gazetteer; I am very fond with the Vale and I would like to know more about it. 

- Dragon no longer releasing as compiled editions: So... when does it become rules-legal?  How will we know when an article has been updated?  Sucks to be playing LFR or any other official-rules campaign.



Even if I support the idea of daily mixed articles, I really don't like to have at least one full compilation at the end of the month. I am not convinced about the justification based on Web statistics. This is just another move against piracy, like it was moving the Character Builder online. Being penalized as a paying customer, makes me sad and and angry.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 1:37PM #57
clem
Date Joined: May 28, 2005
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Jan 13, 2011 -- 12:20PM, Tony_Vargas wrote:

Jan 13, 2011 -- 11:30AM, Yaldabaoth wrote:

EDIT: And another thing... physical books are meant to be read, and WotC has emphased that they want their books to be "readable". You can sit down and read them for pleasure. Not as simple to do that with a list of magic items or feats.


Sorry to hear that.  That was the White Wolf way, their books were something you could just sit down and read - but just try looking something up durring a game (even if you found it, the rule would be worthless, anyway, they were just bad games, well-written bad games).  4e had been a good game.  A good game that read like a technical manual, but a good game.


One of the best role playing manuals I've read in a long time is the Eclipse Phase Core Rulebook (www.eclipsephase.com).  The book has great production values, great fluff, and is navigable courtesy of a index of tabs on the outside border of each page that tells you where in the book you're at.  Also, fluff content is color coded so you know to distiguish it from rules text.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 3:02PM #58
MaximumHavoc
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Jan 13, 2011 -- 6:24AM, thespaceinvader wrote:

Jan 13, 2011 -- 5:00AM, MaximumHavoc wrote:

i think that the vt eventually--and i do mean eventually--will obviate the need for minis for most gaming tables.  and this is a good thing, imo.

i feel the same way about tiles.  my two cents. 



I can't see that happening in the near future.  It's much more difficult for a group to cluster around a laptop screen to see what's going on that a nice big table with nice big minis (or tokens) - and to keep their charsheets organised, roll dice etc.

Unless you're expecting everyone to bring their own laptop and log into VT separately, which is even more unrealistic IMO - not everyone has one, and those who do are not likely to want to bring it to their games.  I know I wouldn't.

I could see using a projector to shoot the game table onto the wall or whatever, but again, few groups will have access to that technology.  Or wall space.

I can foresee a time in the future when tablet and touchscreen tech has progressed to the stage when we'll all be able to use computerised table tops and just have a literal virtual table, character sheets and dice rolling on tablets etc etc.  BUt it's several editions in the future, at least, and planning for it now seems premature.



actually, i think you can accomplish much of this now, with the following items:

i) a computer (preferably a laptop) with dvi port;
ii) a tv (the bigger the screen, the better) with hdmi port; and
iii) a dvi to hdmi cable.

oh, and the vt, of course. 

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 4:27PM #59
Runfer_Cover
Date Joined: Sep 24, 2006
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I have tried to stay postive through all of WotC changes with D&D.

I looked at the good stuff with the Online CB.  I can understand dropping some items from the product line.  I mean some video game companies keep delaying the release of games (Duke Nuke'm anyone).

Cancelling minis in light of the tokens, I can understand. 

I can understand the use of Fortune Cards.  Will they work, I don't know, but trying things is ok.

But stopping the compiled Dragon and Dungeon magazines doesn't make sense to me.  I cannot sit at my computer everyday to read articles.  I can download the compiled issues and load them onto my iPad and read on the road or away from my computer.  With the Dungeon magazines it will just make it harder to read through the articles for search for an adventure for my game.

As thespaceinvader put it, when does material become LFR legal? (I also wonder if he is one of the guys that plays with us weekly since there was a post at the FLGS site)

I want to continue to support WotC and D&D, D&D was the RPG that I cut my teeth on.  I have enjoyed it, and love 4e.  But they are making it harder to support.

Please Wizards, reconsider compiling the issues of Dragon and Dungeon magazine.  Don't let these icons of RPGing go out with a wimper.  Keep them going strong.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2011 - 4:32PM #60
Aaron_Highcolor
Date Joined: Jul 8, 2005
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Jan 13, 2011 -- 1:26PM, Mondragon wrote:



- Dragon no longer releasing as compiled editions: So... when does it become rules-legal?  How will we know when an article has been updated?  Sucks to be playing LFR or any other official-rules campaign.



Even if I support the idea of daily mixed articles, I really don't like to have at least one full compilation at the end of the month. I am not convinced about the justification based on Web statistics. This is just another move against piracy, like it was moving the Character Builder online. Being penalized as a paying customer, makes me sad and and angry.




That's an easy one to answer:  in 2 - 3 months, when it hits the OCB.

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