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2 years ago ::
Dec 25, 2010 - 2:54AM
#141
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Probably. No Rating whatsoever, even for motion pictures of their Youtubes. Internet derived material are exempt from those regulations may be... Compared to Red Box Ninjas which are killing the 3 King's Princesses by throwing knife in their heads, the Taking Lives article look like a ride in the park.  Now this is something i'd definitly call more of a subject to critisims based on violent content. I wonder if it created a similar controversy i don't remember... I just hope they put proper warning and put it in Dragon 395 may be.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago ::
Dec 25, 2010 - 9:36AM
#142
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There's likely no need for a warning. Just as long as they keep articles like this (reportedly) dark one out. If young people are getting a hold of a regular Dragon Magazine, then they're likely mature enough for the stuff that is in it.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 25, 2010 - 9:48AM
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I cannot imagine that E-magazine aren't rated. Adult-X magazine are no ? The fact that Dragon is not motion picture really put it into a seperate thing may be. I hardly think WoTC sends their compilation to some federation like the MPAA or the ESRB to verify their content and label them. So i think they will be rated RP. Or Adult since any content can makes it's way in uncontrolled. Even if its a Digital Magazine, WoTC couldn't suddenly put extreme violent graphic without making any violation, unless it's already under an Adult only content.
Again, printed material is not rated. The Adult-X magazines you refer to aren't subject to any rating system, instead they are subject to restricted sales because they contain pornographic images. That's why they're behind the counter and you have to be 18 to purchase. There is no is rating system that applies to magazines though, just as there is no rating on books or newspapers. The graphics are also not subject to rating. The printed pictures can be as violent and bloody as they like as long as they aren't pornographic.
Have you ever seen a blog that says "This website is PG-13" because it was required to?
"Man is made God's plaything, and that is the best part of him. Therefore every man and woman should live life accordingly, and play the noblest games... Life must be lived as play, playing certain games, making sacrifices, singing and dancing..." Plato, The Laws.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 25, 2010 - 10:28AM
#144
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Aug 13, 2007
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Compared to Red Box Ninjas which are killing the 3 King's Princesses by throwing knife in their heads, the Taking Lives article look like a ride in the park.
This sorta echoes my sentiment about how this magazine has an assassin in it, whos job it is to kill people and sometimes in not nice ways. And yet this article is bad?
 Never Point a loaded party at a plot you are not willing to shoot. Arcane Rhetoric. My Blog.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 25, 2010 - 12:38PM
#145
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I hated the Red Box Ninjas even more than this article. They were heinously unfunny, and the only real gags were senseless violence and "look, ninjas!" I miss the D&D interviews where the subject matter was affectionately parodied. Leave these idiotic, Lowest Common Denominator shenanigans for those still trying to master eating with utensils.
The original core books said that this was our game too. It doesn't feel like that anymore.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 25, 2010 - 12:45PM
#146
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Aug 13, 2007
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I hated the Red Box Ninjas even more than this article. They were heinously unfunny, and the only real gags were senseless violence and "look, ninjas!" I miss the D&D interviews where the subject matter was affectionately parodied. Leave these idiotic, Lowest Common Denominator shenanigans for those still trying to master eating with utensils.
Oh, so thats what those metal things next to the plate are for?
I liked that video :P
We could take this further and say things like "I dont like Hip Hop, anyone who does is illiterate." or I dont like horror movies, anyone who does is a sick individual."
Yeah, labeling people who dont agree with your views is really mature itself :P
Never Point a loaded party at a plot you are not willing to shoot. Arcane Rhetoric. My Blog.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 27, 2010 - 3:58AM
#147
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Aug 17, 2007
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Bad move from Wizards.
A deception. They previewed it in the November and Beyond and didn't carry it. They failed to deliver.
I don't think some posters understand what 'deception' means. It means a willful intent to deceive. Saying one thing, and later changing your mind - in this case, due to massive publy outcry - is a completely different thing.
Now, yes, this did sorta put WotC in a 'damned if you don't, damned if you do' scenario. Do they stand by their previewed article and keep it in the magazine? Or do they respond to public demand - especially at a time when the customers are clamoring for more response to their concerns - and leave it out of the magazine?
Myself, I'd rather have had them fix the article, but I don't suppose they could have done that in time. So I suppose this is the next best thing - the article is still available on the website, Plaguescarred, for those like you who want it. But they have demonstrated that they are listening to their customer base by leaving it out of the compilation. This also addresses the concerns of those who felt it was a decent article for RP purposes, but didn't want it in the official publication and thus automatically legal as RPGA content that DMs had to abide by. It also leaves them open to put it in properly once they've addressed some of the concerns.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 27, 2010 - 4:03AM
#148
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Aug 17, 2007
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But the magazine is not for kids. Its published for mature DDi subscriber.
I've subscribed to Dragon since I was a kid. Why in the world do you believe kids don't currently subscribe to the online version of the magazine?
Now if i was to DM with younger players and was interested in introducing novel ways to defeat enemies without killing them....then i could use idea in this article, several of which might work in games for younger players, such as our Heroes of Hesiod.
Again, that's half the problem - your statement would hold a lot more weight if this was a Dungeon article. But it is apparently aimed at players, and that's the problem. It isn't saying, "Hey, DMs, show some of this stuff (of your choice) to your players, so they know what they can try and do in your game." Instead, it says, "Hey, players, here is a bunch of stuff to try and do. If your DM gets upset and says no, or tries to have blinded enemies come back for revenge, show this to them so they know they are 'doing it wrong'."
What people did get wrong about the article is to who it is penned for and where, this is the target audience. Some of its content could be suitable for younger.
Which is why my take on this is that it would have been an ok foundation for an article, but needs a lot more guidance, a lot more clarification about who it is for, and stuff like that. Throwing it out willy-nilly without any warning - indeed, with the only piece of recommendation available indicating it is specifically for kids - is completely irresponsible.
The movie was RPG 13 i think
On a completely unrelated note, I don't know if this is a typo or actual reference or what, but I think that is a completely awesome movie rating for LotR.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 27, 2010 - 5:47AM
#149
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May 12, 2009
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Bad move from Wizards.
A deception. They previewed it in the November and Beyond and didn't carry it. They failed to deliver.
I don't think some posters understand what 'deception' means. It means a willful intent to deceive. Saying one thing, and later changing your mind - in this case, due to massive publy outcry - is a completely different thing.
Sorry my bad. Deception in french relate to a different meaning and i shouldnt have used this word.
I meant a disappointement.
But the magazine is not for kids. Its published for mature DDi subscriber.
I've subscribed to Dragon since I was a kid. Why in the world do you believe kids don't currently subscribe to the online version of the magazine?
It takes a credit card to subscribe. I dont know in US, but in Canada i think you need to be 18+ to apply for one.
There is a difference between subscribing to your name and giving those to a child and having the child subscribing legally.
your statement would hold a lot more weight if this was a Dungeon article. But it is apparently aimed at players, and that's the problem.
You bring a good point. Perhaps Dungeon would have been a better fit. But as most of the rules are in the PHB in 4E, even Magic Items, then its probably okay for it to appear in a Player oriented magazine. i dont know.
The movie was RPG 13 i think
On a completely unrelated note, I don't know if this is a typo or actual reference or what, but I think that is a completely awesome movie rating for LotR.
Sorry my bad again, a typpo
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago ::
Jan 03, 2011 - 10:22AM
#150
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I think the most shocking thing to me was the sidebar about how you can leave a villian alive and then go after everything he loves. Really?
I mean, I guess we can go for "the villian is YOU!" plots with it...
Is there anything inherently wrong with those kinds of games? I guess every single brooding warrior out for revenge is an evil PC right? Or most of the murdering adventurers out there. Does every single campaign either have to end with the slaughter of the BBEG, imprisonment or a speech about how only killing him would bring you down to their level or its an evil game?
Its seems quite surprising that the assassin, a class who's "job" it is to kill people and sometimes in not the most nice ways is well received but an article that dares say that you shouldn't kill people is somehow wrong?
There is a difference between killing someone who's attacking you/destroying the world/whatever and killing his innocent children because he loves them.
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