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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 12:46PM
#101
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... because it is a melee power. It has a range of melee weapon. Even with a thrown weapon, with a power with that range, you cannot throw your weapon because you feel like it.
If you were using a throwing hammer with Overwhelming Strike, WITHOUT Power of Skill, you wouldn't try to suggest you could throw the weapon, I presume? Just because you've been told it's a basic attack doesn't mean that the range of the power itself changes, however dubiously you interpret the words 'basic attack'.
So yes, power of skill probably needs errating for clarity, but really, the intended interpretation seems perfectly clear.
Are you genuinely confused about that point, or just being facetious?
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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 1:09PM
#102
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On what planet does it say that Overwhelming Strike is ever a ranged basic attack?
It's an extension of the Divine Bolts + Power of Skill discussion that we've already beaten into the ground. Overwhelming Strike is another power that Power of Skill allows to be used as a basic attack. The reasoning being if that if think Power of Skill allows Divine Bolts to be used as an MBA, than you could just as easily argue that it also allows Overwhelming Strike to be used as an RBA.
That planet.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 1:39PM
#103
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May 12, 2009
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When something grants you a basic attack, you can make any type of basic attack, so you can make a RBA or a MBA. When you make either a RBA or a MBA, you've made a basic attack. It does not follow from either of those statements that saying "this power is a basic attack" means you can treat it as either a RBA or MBA as you wish.
RAW, Power of Skill doesn't make the powers into RBAs or MBAs at all and the only benefit is from things that refer to basic attacks without specifying RBA or MBA. However, the RAI is clearly to treat Divine Bolts as an RBA and the other powers as MBAs. RAW or RAI, you won't get to use Divine Bolts as an MBA.
I will conclude its RAW and i will agree with Jaelis, Mand12 and ChaosMage. I have a problem with it being only responding to granted basic attack strickly and not further detailed melee or ranged basic attacks.
But without more clarifications, it ain't working.
And i still maintain that CustServ was wrong. If Divine Bolts/Power of Skill doesn't work to make a melee basic attack with Commanders Strike, it shouldn't work to make a ranged basic attack with say Unleash Hell neither.
But as Power of SKill affect both melee and ranged powers, it has to make use of basic attack only and not one or the other.
Refering to their respective Range is what make most sense to avoid all kind of bizzaries.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 1:43PM
#104
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Jun 17, 2010
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Wait, so you're saying that you shouldn't be able to use Divine Bolts as your triggered power when Unleash Hell grants you a ranged basic attack?
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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 1:47PM
#105
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Date Joined:
May 12, 2009
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Exactly, only on powers granting basic attack strickly like Direct The Strike.
It can be used with its respective Range, but if a power grant a ranged basic attack, Divine Bolts/Power of Skill cannot be used as ranged basic attack, only as basic attack and thus cannot be substituted for it.
Thats what RAW says
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 1:48PM
#106
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That is correct Mand. You can only use it if you are granted a basic attack. Not a melee basic attack or a ranged basic attack.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 1:49PM
#107
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Jun 17, 2010
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Out of pure curiosity, why do you reject the definition of "ranged basic attack" as "basic attack that has the range of ranged" and "melee basic attack" as "basic attack that has the range of melee"?
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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 1:50PM
#108
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I direct you to the entirety of this thread. :D
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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 1:51PM
#109
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Jun 17, 2010
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I've read through it, but I still don't see any specific rules justification for claiming otherwise.
Do you at least agree that it's RAI?
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2 years ago ::
Dec 15, 2010 - 1:57PM
#110
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Date Joined:
May 12, 2009
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a ranged basic attack is a game element more specific than a basic attack alone, and one can be used as either a melee or ranged basic attack when a power grant you a basic attack, but if a power grant you any more specific like a melee or a ranged basic attack and you have a power usable as a basic attack alone, then you will need to be able to use a basic attack more deeply defined and that matches the attack allowed.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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