|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 10:14AM
#1
|
|
|
In the description it says that the warlord shouts and an ally attacks but this is a Martial, Weapon power. Does this mean that the target must be within reach of my melee weapon? Am I actually physically interfering in the combat?
Is the ally compulsed to attack or is it his/her choice?
|
|
|
|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 10:21AM
#2
|
Date Joined:
Jul 23, 2008
|
In the description it says that the warlord shouts and an ally attacks but this is a Martial, Weapon power. Does this mean that the target must be within reach of my melee weapon? Am I actually physically interfering in the combat?
Is the ally compulsed to attack or is it his/her choice?
The power's range is specified by its range entry. If I'm not mistaken, Commander's Strike reads "Melee weapon"? If it says that, you must be within the melee range of your weapon (Melee 1 would be in an adjacent square, no matter the weapon. Melee touch would be your natural reach, which is 1 for just about everyone.).
As to what your character is actually physically doing in-game, that is entirely up to you, and not the domain of rules - this is what is known as "fluff" or "flavour". If you have some sufficient explanation of what you're doing that doesn't, by flavour, involve direct physical interference, then you're not interfering. *shrugs*
|
|
|
|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 10:57AM
#3
|
Date Joined:
Oct 27, 2010
|
In the description it says that the warlord shouts and an ally attacks but this is a Martial, Weapon power. Does this mean that the target must be within reach of my melee weapon? Am I actually physically interfering in the combat?
Is the ally compulsed to attack or is it his/her choice?
Commander's Strike has a range of "Melee weapon," a Target line of "one creature" and an Attack line of "An ally of your choice makes a melee basic attack against the target." That means that the enemy that your ally attacks must be within range of your weapon, although the ally you choose does not (if, for example, you're flanking the target creature with said ally). If you don't want to go with the default flavor text, think of it as you're reaching out with your weapon to feint the enemy or tickle it behind the ear (or whatever), or what have you, which distracts it and lets your ally get a free swing in.
Why would your ally choose not to make the attack? (Or, put another way, when using this power, why would you choose an ally who wouldn't want to make the attack?)
loose [loos] vt. to let loose; to release; to unfasten, undo or untie; to shoot or discharge. lose [looz] vt. to come to be without (something in one's possession or care), through accident, theft, etc., so that there is little or no prospect of recovery; to fail inadvertently to retain (something) in such a way that it cannot be immediately recovered; to suffer the deprivation of. LEARN THE DAMN DIFFERENCE.The pen is mightier than the character builder. Copy this to your sig if you like 4e but don't use the CB. "OD&D, 1E and 2E challenged the player. 3E challenged the character, not the player. Now 4E takes it a step further by challenging a GROUP OF PLAYERS to work together as a TEAM. That's why I love 4E." -RedSiegfried
|
|
|
|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 11:15AM
#4
|
|
|
Ok, say you are running an evil party... You want to complete the module but one party member is a real pain. You see him enter combat with a paladin who uses divine challenge on him. To punish him for being annoying you command him to strike another enemy causing him to take damage each turn.
Like I said... Is he forced to attack?
|
|
|
|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 11:49AM
#5
|
Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
|
Yes. It's your attack, not his, essentially. It's little different than a power allowing you to make a basic attack yourself.
|
|
|
|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 11:52AM
#6
|
|
|
Except that the guy in question has a better basic attack than you, and you're further buffing it, yes.
|
|
|
|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 12:57PM
#7
|
Date Joined:
Jan 20, 2010
|
It's involuntary. Although, favor-wise I think the intention is that you're cooperating (sort of like the rest of DnD). In addition, you can make him attack any creature, which is fun. Maybe you feel like killing one of your other teammates?
Also, fun fact, he can declare himself no longer your ally and then you can't use the power on him, which supports the cooperation theory.
|
|
|
|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 1:01PM
#8
|
Date Joined:
Jul 23, 2008
|
I should think it would work like being granted a shift, wherein the ally in question doesn't HAVE to take it, even though the power in question doesn't expressly give them that out, or not using the full/any forced movement from a power that permits it. Is there an actual rule that states that your ally absolutely has to make the attack?
|
|
|
|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 2:47PM
#9
|
Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
|
The power does.
Attack: An ally of your choice makes a melee basic attack against the target
No options. No 'can make'. It's your choice who does it, and when you choose it, they have to do it. It's polite to ask them, and to allow them the input in whether or not they want to do it. But in the end, it's your decision. Much like leader powers which grant allies movement - in most cases, the movement is forced, and it's your choice, albeit the person has to be your ally for it to work.
If the Attack line said something like: An ally of your choice may make a MBA if they wish, then it would be up to them. but it's not.
|
|
|
|
2 years ago ::
Dec 10, 2010 - 2:56PM
#10
|
Date Joined:
Jul 23, 2008
|
The power does.
Attack: An ally of your choice makes a melee basic attack against the target
No options. No 'can make'. It's your choice who does it, and when you choose it, they have to do it. It's polite to ask them, and to allow them the input in whether or not they want to do it. But in the end, it's your decision. Much like leader powers which grant allies movement - in most cases, the movement is forced, and it's your choice, albeit the person has to be your ally for it to work.
If the Attack line said something like: An ally of your choice may make a MBA if they wish, then it would be up to them. but it's not.
I see no "must", which in other cases would be what is required to FORCE the effect upon an ally.
|
|
|
