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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 8:41PM
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I ask this because I know this whole essentials thing got started some months ago and the coming months seems to have more in store for it... but I don't see anymore "core 4e" material coming down the pipeline. So i'm wondering if essentials is there way of making 4.5E without calling it that.
I loved the phb1, the phb2, and at least half of the phb3 (not a fan of psionics, though thats from my old 3.5 hate of it, have yet to give it another chance). I would have thought they'd have at least enough material for phb4 (shadow, duh) with enough classes like phb3 had. But it seems that it's not coming anytime soon. Content calendar shows me a lot of stuff for essentials (unless i'm just reading it wrong)
So what say you on this?
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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 8:48PM
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Date Joined:
May 12, 2009
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Essentials is not 4.5 more than Player's Options was 2.5
Essential's Book are not a new Editions more than the Deluxe PHB was.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 8:49PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 29, 2008
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I ask this because I know this whole essentials thing got started some months ago and the coming months seems to have more in store for it... but I don't see anymore "core 4e" material coming down the pipeline. So i'm wondering if essentials is there way of making 4.5E without calling it that.
I loved the phb1, the phb2, and at least half of the phb3 (not a fan of psionics, though thats from my old 3.5 hate of it, have yet to give it another chance). I would have thought they'd have at least enough material for phb4 (shadow, duh) with enough classes like phb3 had. But it seems that it's not coming anytime soon. Content calendar shows me a lot of stuff for essentials (unless i'm just reading it wrong)
So what say you on this?
(rummaging sounds from the closet) "rollerblades.....bowling ball....VHS copy of Fletch...Has ANYONE seen my 10-Foot-Pole?"
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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 8:49PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 26, 2004
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I ask this because I know this whole essentials thing got started some months ago and the coming months seems to have more in store for it... but I don't see anymore "core 4e" material coming down the pipeline. So i'm wondering if essentials is there way of making 4.5E without calling it that.
I loved the phb1, the phb2, and at least half of the phb3 (not a fan of psionics, though thats from my old 3.5 hate of it, have yet to give it another chance). I would have thought they'd have at least enough material for phb4 (shadow, duh) with enough classes like phb3 had. But it seems that it's not coming anytime soon. Content calendar shows me a lot of stuff for essentials (unless i'm just reading it wrong)
So what say you on this?
Heroes of Shadow is for 4th Ed. It is not an Essentials product. Additionaly the Player Compendium is made to allow the Essentials and other 4th ed characters to inter-mix easier.
I'm curious what you've seen that is an Essentials product. (Though the new releases are all paperback now which is disapointing.)
Characters currently:
Abscense makes the heart grow fonder but the characters disappear.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 8:55PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 29, 2008
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I ask this because I know this whole essentials thing got started some months ago and the coming months seems to have more in store for it... but I don't see anymore "core 4e" material coming down the pipeline. So i'm wondering if essentials is there way of making 4.5E without calling it that.
I loved the phb1, the phb2, and at least half of the phb3 (not a fan of psionics, though thats from my old 3.5 hate of it, have yet to give it another chance). I would have thought they'd have at least enough material for phb4 (shadow, duh) with enough classes like phb3 had. But it seems that it's not coming anytime soon. Content calendar shows me a lot of stuff for essentials (unless i'm just reading it wrong)
So what say you on this?
Heroes of Shadow is for 4th Ed. It is not an Essentials product. Additionaly the Player Compendium is made to allow the Essentials and other 4th ed characters to inter-mix easier.
I'm curious what you've seen that is an Essentials product. (Though the new releases are all paperback now which is disapointing.)
There are a couple of paperbacks upcoming and a couple of hardbacks coming as well--not sure why they aren't all one or the other though.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 8:55PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 29, 2004
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I ask this because I know this whole essentials thing got started some months ago and the coming months seems to have more in store for it... but I don't see anymore "core 4e" material coming down the pipeline. So i'm wondering if essentials is there way of making 4.5E without calling it that.
I loved the phb1, the phb2, and at least half of the phb3 (not a fan of psionics, though thats from my old 3.5 hate of it, have yet to give it another chance). I would have thought they'd have at least enough material for phb4 (shadow, duh) with enough classes like phb3 had. But it seems that it's not coming anytime soon. Content calendar shows me a lot of stuff for essentials (unless i'm just reading it wrong)
So what say you on this?
Heroes of Shadow is for 4th Ed. It is not an Essentials product. Additionaly the Player Compendium is made to allow the Essentials and other 4th ed characters to inter-mix easier.
I'm curious what you've seen that is an Essentials product. (Though the new releases are all paperback now which is disapointing.)
Oh, really? I must have been mistaken. I heard that assassin's got an essential'd version, and supposedly I heard hexblade had turned into some sort of essential build of the warlock. So I was under the assumption that necromancer, assassin, and hexblade were going to just be essentials classes. Or will they be their own classes or just builds of other 4e classes? Like a hexblade 4e warlock, or the necromancer is a shadow source wizard build? Etc. etc.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 9:02PM
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Oct 26, 2004
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Oh, really? I must have been mistaken. I heard that assassin's got an essential'd version, and supposedly I heard hexblade had turned into some sort of essential build of the warlock. So I was under the assumption that necromancer, assassin, and hexblade were going to just be essentials classes. Or will they be their own classes or just builds of other 4e classes? Like a hexblade 4e warlock, or the necromancer is a shadow source wizard build? Etc. etc.
The Hexblade is in the Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdom and is a warlock build, the Assassin is a DDi exclusive. No one knows what the Necromancer and other classes in Heroes of Shadow will be. Currently we only have 2 shadow power source classes the Assassin and the Assassin(Executioner) which is listed as Martial/Shadow.
So ummmm....really no one knows what we'll be getting. Until we get a preview of it. (Though a lot of people are saying that Essentials being part of their design paragram means it's all Essentials. I'd guess the new classes will be more like the Psionic and Essentials classes then the PH1/2 classes but well I have no idea.
Characters currently:
Abscense makes the heart grow fonder but the characters disappear.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 9:57PM
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Ugh, this is so two months ago.
Seriously, though, you should check out the PbP Haven. You might also like Real Adventures, IF you're cool. | Knights of W.T.F.- Silver Spur Winner | |
4enclave, a place where 4e fans can talk 4e in peace.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 10:01PM
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I ask this because I know this whole essentials thing got started some months ago and the coming months seems to have more in store for it... but I don't see anymore "core 4e" material coming down the pipeline. So i'm wondering if essentials is there way of making 4.5E without calling it that.
I loved the phb1, the phb2, and at least half of the phb3 (not a fan of psionics, though thats from my old 3.5 hate of it, have yet to give it another chance). I would have thought they'd have at least enough material for phb4 (shadow, duh) with enough classes like phb3 had. But it seems that it's not coming anytime soon. Content calendar shows me a lot of stuff for essentials (unless i'm just reading it wrong)
So what say you on this?
(rummaging sounds from the closet) "rollerblades.....bowling ball....VHS copy of Fletch...Has ANYONE seen my 10-Foot-Pole?"
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No.
*goes back to limboing*
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2 years ago ::
Nov 29, 2010 - 12:18AM
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Part of the problem is that no two people seem to be able to agree on what they mean by 'Essentials'.
To WotC, 'Essentials' is ten very specific products. Which means, now those products are out, there will be no more 'Essentials' products released. In other words, WotC can truthfully say (using their own difinition) that no future products will be 'Essentials'.
To some people, 'Essentials' means those ten products plus any other product that supports any build found in those products. Using that definition is going to mean that most, if not all, future products are 'Essentials'.
To others, any product that contains builds with a similar design philosophy to 'Essentials' builds is also an 'Essentials' product. And that then opens up the additional question of what people mean by the 'Essentials design philosophy' or an 'Essentials-style build'.
Is merely being listed with a separate advancement table for each tier enough to label something an 'Essentials build'? Heroes of Sword and Spell takes several of the class builds in PHB1 and reprints them with such tables (and updated with the 2 years of errata that has come out since PHB1). There are no actual mechanical changes being made to these builds other than applying the existing errata, yet some people have taken this as 'proof' that 'Essentials' is a new edition, because it's taking existing PHB1 builds and 'Essentialising' them.
Or does a build need to get class features above level 1 to be an 'Essentials-style' build? Or does it need to lack encounter and/or daily powers? The trouble is that some of these definitions would make builds like the Mage and the Warpriest count as 'not-Essentials', which is clearly silly.
The reason this whole debate keeps going is that it's literally impossible for it ever to reach a 'right answer', because the very terms of the debate, the definitions from which people are arguing, are so fuzzy and ill-defined.
Depending on the definitions you start with, you can come to the conclusion either that "Essentials is D&D4.5 and D&D4.0 is dead and will no longer be supported", or that "Essentials is just ten products for D&D4.0 and what's the fuss all about?" and both conclusions are perfectly valid for the criteria you started from.
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