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Nov 12, 2010 -- 5:27AM, AirPower25 wrote:

Just a quick notice while looking at heroic feats, Focused expertise should be renamed Versatile Expertise.  Also, might want to include the HotFL expertises as well (staff expertise is awesome).

Thanks for catching that, I guess I never updated that feat when PHB3 came out.  And the HotFL/HotFK feats will be up shortly.

Nov 12, 2010 -- 6:04AM, langeweile wrote:

Two small notes about races...
Devas  are probably the one race that can well make a Con Druid and still go  first reliably, thanks to their racial feat that gives that changes  their Init from Dex to Wis+2. Their necrotic resistance and their  defense bonus against bloodied targets it quite effective in actual  play.
A Minotaur's retribution attack triggers off dropping to zero,  not off being hit - hence you won't be able to negate unless you have a  way to heal with that attack.

Doh, that makes a whole lot more sense!  That retribution attack seemed too strong.

EDIT:  Can you provide a source for that Deva feat?  I don't have a DnDi subscription and not all of my books are with me either.

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Nov 12, 2010 -- 6:18AM, Mand12 wrote:

No Thri-kreen love?  Extra attack,  perfect stats for predator and I'm sure one can pull off charging  shenanigans with the always-running jump checks.

Just added them (as well as the Mul).

Nov 12, 2010 -- 3:43PM, Corwynn wrote:

Sentinel not Sentinal

Lol, thanks for catching that, command + F was my friend on that one!

Nov 12, 2010 -- 3:50PM, langeweile wrote:

@ Deva:
It's called Battle  Intuition, changes Init from Dex to Wis and gives you another +2 feat  bonus, which by experience is enough to go first (or before the mobs)  more often than not. Add some other tricks and things become real  bonkers - my Invoker had tons of fun.
It's from Dragon #374, which also holds some other useful Deva feats.

Thanks, that is quite nice.

Nov 12, 2010 -- 4:01PM, Accuser wrote:

If I recall correctly, that Deva feat is redundant with a new feat found in Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms, which provides identical effects with no racial requirement.

See above; it's Battlewise with an additional +2 bonus.

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Nov 12, 2010 -- 4:06PM, langeweile wrote:

Sadly they're not in the Compendium yet.
So which would that be, and what does it do ?

See above; I've also updated the feats section with the important ones from HotFK.

Nov 12, 2010 -- 5:18PM, langeweile wrote:

@ Druid build rating:
I think you should incorporate not only the benefit itself, but also the attached power riders and access to certain feats. I'd argue that Predators are in fact just as good as Swarms (if not even a bit better).

@ Role ratings:
I think you really should discriminate better here:
1) Druid vs Sentinel (obvious)
2) primary vs secondary Role (Because really, while you can become somewhat solid at say striking, you just won't match any real and at least half-dedicated Striker.)
3) baseline vs potential (You're not top tier at two and still good at the two Roles - at the same time. You can build off competence, but that naturally comes at a cost.)

Yeah, I was just rating the class features in a vacuum.  Taking feats and riders into consideration, Predators come out on top with Swarms being at a disadvantage (Sentinel's are difficult to compare since they basically play like a different class). 

I'll make the roles section a little more clear.  Overall ratings for role potential within the Druid class, and then I'll specify which builds can achieve that potential in the description.