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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 1:58PM #111
lokiare
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Nov 13, 2010 -- 1:58AM, thespaceinvader wrote:

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What happens when I use the program on a computer I don't have admin rights to, and doesn't have a PDF printer?  How do I send a PDF of my character?




[sarcasm]Oh there's nothing to worry about, since you wouldn't be able to install silverlight without admin rights anyway... See no problem there![/sarcasm]

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 2:39PM #112
thespaceinvader
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When I said 'using the program' that implied that silverlight was already installed on this hypothetical computer

I recognise the sarcasm, but I feel this is an issue.  I have silverlight installed on this computer, because ITV Player (UK TV channel's on-demand service) uses it.  I didn't need a PDF printer until I got the old CB, because all other instance where I've neeed to make a PDF of something on this computer, the program has the capacity built in.

I wouldn;t be surprised if that is true in many other cases.  Particularly given that, IIRC, silverlight is supplied as an automatic update to windows, whereas PDF printers are not.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 3:57PM #113
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Nov 14, 2010 -- 2:39PM, thespaceinvader wrote:

When I said 'using the program' that implied that silverlight was already installed on this hypothetical computer

I recognise the sarcasm, but I feel this is an issue.  I have silverlight installed on this computer, because ITV Player (UK TV channel's on-demand service) uses it.  I didn't need a PDF printer until I got the old CB, because all other instance where I've neeed to make a PDF of something on this computer, the program has the capacity built in.

I wouldn;t be surprised if that is true in many other cases.  Particularly given that, IIRC, silverlight is supplied as an automatic update to windows, whereas PDF printers are not.

Meh.




The CB does not only need silverlight. You also need the CB client.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 4:14PM #114
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Nov 14, 2010 -- 1:58PM, lokiare wrote:

Nov 13, 2010 -- 1:58AM, thespaceinvader wrote:

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What happens when I use the program on a computer I don't have admin rights to, and doesn't have a PDF printer?  How do I send a PDF of my character?




[sarcasm]Oh there's nothing to worry about, since you wouldn't be able to install silverlight without admin rights anyway... See no problem there![/sarcasm]




ever heard of portable apps.

i dont have admin rights here and silver light is not installed, but with portable ff and some tricks you can get silverlight running.

so you see its not so hypothical, funny enough a pdf printer is allready installed.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 4:41PM #115
PaoloM
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Nov 14, 2010 -- 3:57PM, rjdafoe wrote:

Nov 14, 2010 -- 2:39PM, thespaceinvader wrote:

When I said 'using the program' that implied that silverlight was already installed on this hypothetical computer

I recognise the sarcasm, but I feel this is an issue.  I have silverlight installed on this computer, because ITV Player (UK TV channel's on-demand service) uses it.  I didn't need a PDF printer until I got the old CB, because all other instance where I've neeed to make a PDF of something on this computer, the program has the capacity built in.

I wouldn;t be surprised if that is true in many other cases.  Particularly given that, IIRC, silverlight is supplied as an automatic update to windows, whereas PDF printers are not.

Meh.




The CB does not only need silverlight. You also need the CB client.



While technically correct, once you have Silverlight installed you don't need any kind of privileges to launch the CB, it's just like visiting a web page.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 5:39PM #116
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Nov 14, 2010 -- 4:41PM, PaoloM wrote:

Nov 14, 2010 -- 3:57PM, rjdafoe wrote:

Nov 14, 2010 -- 2:39PM, thespaceinvader wrote:

When I said 'using the program' that implied that silverlight was already installed on this hypothetical computer

I recognise the sarcasm, but I feel this is an issue.  I have silverlight installed on this computer, because ITV Player (UK TV channel's on-demand service) uses it.  I didn't need a PDF printer until I got the old CB, because all other instance where I've neeed to make a PDF of something on this computer, the program has the capacity built in.

I wouldn;t be surprised if that is true in many other cases.  Particularly given that, IIRC, silverlight is supplied as an automatic update to windows, whereas PDF printers are not.

Meh.




The CB does not only need silverlight. You also need the CB client.



While technically correct, once you have Silverlight installed you don't need any kind of privileges to launch the CB, it's just like visiting a web page.




Some places have all sort of things locked down, including NTFS permissions on file systems.  While most places I would assume not, you cannot just count on being able to run it from some random computer.

Just like everything else, you should not expect to be able to use this at some walkup computer at some random store.  While chances are good that you will be able to, some of us in IT know better than to keep a public computer that opened.

And that is assuming that the site is opened to begin with

That is all I am saying.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 6:47PM #117
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Nov 14, 2010 -- 5:39PM, rjdafoe wrote:

Nov 14, 2010 -- 4:41PM, PaoloM wrote:

Nov 14, 2010 -- 3:57PM, rjdafoe wrote:


The CB does not only need silverlight. You also need the CB client.



While technically correct, once you have Silverlight installed you don't need any kind of privileges to launch the CB, it's just like visiting a web page.




Some places have all sort of things locked down, including NTFS permissions on file systems.  While most places I would assume not, you cannot just count on being able to run it from some random computer.

Just like everything else, you should not expect to be able to use this at some walkup computer at some random store.  While chances are good that you will be able to, some of us in IT know better than to keep a public computer that opened.

And that is assuming that the site is opened to begin with

That is all I am saying.




Are you suggesting that WotC should program for a situation in which a machine has a browser plugin installed but does not have permissions to run Internet content in that plugin?

Nov 14, 2010 -- 5:39PM, rjdafoe wrote:

some of us in IT know better than to keep a public computer that opened.


Someone that locks down a computer to the point where it's not useful for the intended purpose (surfing the Internet) is not a very good IT person.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 7:30PM #118
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Nov 14, 2010 -- 6:47PM, RCanine wrote:

Nov 14, 2010 -- 5:39PM, rjdafoe wrote:

Nov 14, 2010 -- 4:41PM, PaoloM wrote:

Nov 14, 2010 -- 3:57PM, rjdafoe wrote:


The CB does not only need silverlight. You also need the CB client.



While technically correct, once you have Silverlight installed you don't need any kind of privileges to launch the CB, it's just like visiting a web page.




Some places have all sort of things locked down, including NTFS permissions on file systems.  While most places I would assume not, you cannot just count on being able to run it from some random computer.

Just like everything else, you should not expect to be able to use this at some walkup computer at some random store.  While chances are good that you will be able to, some of us in IT know better than to keep a public computer that opened.

And that is assuming that the site is opened to begin with

That is all I am saying.




Are you suggesting that WotC should program for a situation in which a machine has a browser plugin installed but does not have permissions to run Internet content in that plugin?

Nov 14, 2010 -- 5:39PM, rjdafoe wrote:

some of us in IT know better than to keep a public computer that opened.


Someone that locks down a computer to the point where it's not useful for the intended purpose (surfing the Internet) is not a very good IT person.




A public computer is not your computer.

Running a silverlight or a flash application is not browsing the internet.  Both can (and do) get blocked sometimes, for various reasons. 

And no, I am not suggesting that is it something they need to worry about.  But on the other hand, you can't just assume that any computer you walk up to in an internet cafe or elsewhere (as some people are claiming) is going to be able to run the application without a problem, much less have access to the wizards site to begin with.  There are plenty of open wifi networks that I have been on that still lock down sites - even though they are opened and free to the public.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 9:06PM #119
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Nov 14, 2010 -- 7:30PM, rjdafoe wrote:

A public computer is not your computer.

Running a silverlight or a flash application is not browsing the internet.  Both can (and do) get blocked sometimes, for various reasons. 

And no, I am not suggesting that is it something they need to worry about.  But on the other hand, you can't just assume that any computer you walk up to in an internet cafe or elsewhere (as some people are claiming) is going to be able to run the application without a problem, much less have access to the wizards site to begin with.  There are plenty of open wifi networks that I have been on that still lock down sites - even though they are opened and free to the public.




Of course the same is true of the CBC.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2010 - 10:50PM #120
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Will there be some sort of demo or trial of the new Character Builder for non-DDI subscribers? I would like to be able to play around with it before deciding if I want to spend the money and subscribe.
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