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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 3:59AM
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I think it is safe to say that when it releases the new CB will be worse than the CB classic. We already know it will release with less functionality than the CB classic. Granted.
BUT, sometime "soon" it will surpass what the CB classic does now. That is also pretty much guaranteed. And, moving forward, the benefits of it being online - specifically the fact that all the online tools can be made to easily share information - will far outweigh the short term disadvantages of the online tool on launch.
And all the advantages would be gone when Wizard kills it in a few years, which is about or less then *half* as long as I've used GMail by then. Are they still long term advantages in light of this?
By the way, "soon" may not be the best choice of word around here at this moment.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 4:04AM
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Yes, this is true. And there are clearly (from the huge amount of posts about it) a bunch of people who wont be able to, or will take the choice not to, take the steps forward due to lack of internet access.
To me, this is a benefit. I can see there are a lot of people to whom this is a big step back. But I really do think that moving forward the internet is just going to get more and more prevalent rather than less so. And I think cloud computing is the way forward, I really do.
Going online is definitly a good way to improve a product and moving vorward, the big mistake maken isnt the fact they produced those tools, what most people in my situation criticise, is the fact that they go online "only".
This tools whould be a great improvement, even for me, but this is only the case if they are an addition to what we had available up until now, not a replacement.
Going only "only" is like abandoning the old and sick in order to move on faster.
D&D Outsider since Nov 18th 2010, if you wonder about the little red dragon, this one is dedicated to the great VT community.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 4:14AM
#33
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yall are only looking at part of what he said. he also said this will help them to combat piracy, and update the thing faster. the online only design flows from those two points, not really from user convenience
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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 4:17AM
#34
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I am the only person of 3 or 4 that routinely bring lap tops to LFR Game Days at the LGS that has an internet connection. All of us have the character builder installed.
It is also false that there is no download and install for the web character builder. If your boss stops you from installing the OriginalCB, your boss will stop you installing the WebCB as well. So that is dusted as an argument.
So the WCB drained resources from refinenment and improvement of the OCB and offers what exactly to improve it that couldn't have been done with the OCB? The answer is "Mac Support". We best hope that "Mac Support" pulls a lot of subscriptions because there is no trying the WCB before you buy - just videos. There will be losses from current subscribers that need to be replaced.
Now I'm actually pretty OK with the idea of web tools - that actually seems to me to be the way to really move forward and get to the VTT we were promised back in the day. But frankly the people at WotC seem to have no idea where to go or how to get there. Bill talking about "tablets and mobile devices" (for whom the WCB is a non-option) and "computer-like devices" (again no hope of WCB) just seem to be symptoms of a larger problem. This sort of stuff worries me.
Now I'm not cancelling my subscription, but I would have not renewed for 12 months had I known this was the immediate future. I hope that in the next 12 months WotC really does some good stuff with their Web tools and makes me glad I re-subbed before the current events started. But right now I'm looking at the train wreck of two tools I have loved using and their replacement is incomplete and offers a significant downgrade for many of my immediate fellow gamers. This leads me to being ambivalent.
I'm hopefull for the future, but I'm feeling let down by the now.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 4:22AM
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I think I read somewhere here that a demo mode would, in fact, be available, or they were working on making that possible.
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The argument goes, that some idiot at the table might claim that because there is a "default" that is the only true way to play D&D. An idiotic misconception that should be quite easy to disprove just by reading the rules, coming to these forums, or sending a quick note off to Customer Support and sharing the inevitable response with the group. BTW, I'm not just talking about Next when I say this. Of course, D&D has always been this way since at least the late 70's when I began playing.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 4:45AM
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I hope so, because Bill's article just says "video" and that would be terrible.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 4:52AM
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yes it will be a video apparently
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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 4:58AM
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With all the ranting and raving of the board this week I dont see how lack of internet connection is a problem for players.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 5:08AM
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And all the advantages would be gone when Wizard kills it in a few years, which is about or less then *half* as long as I've used GMail by then. Are they still long term advantages in light of this?
By the way, "soon" may not be the best choice of word around here at this moment.
When you talk about Wizard killing this in a few years I think that is unlikely. Why? Sure we'll go to 5th Edition about that time but think of this: 5E will be almost entirely online or at least will be hugely supported with online stuff. So if they kill off 4E support when 5E comes out and they shaft loads of people who are playing and wanting to continue playing 4E then that will be a good reason for people not to go to 5E, because they'lll see they'll get shafted when 6E comes out. It's important that Wizards support 4E DDi after the life of 4E for that reason.
And the choice of "soon" was a deliberate one. 
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3 years ago ::
Nov 05, 2010 - 5:20AM
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@djordi: I won't comment on your "20 character limit" and "no exporting" comments, because WotC has addressed these issues, and I'll just presume you haven't read about that yet.
Can you point me to this info please, the part abut the 20 chr answer from WotC, I have not seen it and frankly, not sure I want to scoure 100000000000000 posts to find it, thanks in advance!
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