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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 10:56AM #21
Jharii
Date Joined: May 3, 2008
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Nov 4, 2010 -- 10:21AM, whitebaron wrote:


the fact is, that a lot of people expect the same usage out of the CB - download it, keep using it.
that's why an online version is so much more disdained.




The vocal majority does not necessarily equate to the actual majority.  There is no way that any one of us can make that determination.  Only WotC and their subscription data can make that assessment.

If you don't like the new model, unsubscribe.

Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.

Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:18AM #22
whitebaron
Date Joined: Aug 13, 2007
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You could try, for once, to read my posts instead of just selectively choosing your replies to fit your needs.

I never hinted at whether "a lot of people" are a majority or "merely" a few hundred. IF you quote me, reply to MY post, not just state your intentions over and over.
Here be dragons:

May 25, 2012 -- 10:10PM, Dranack wrote:

Sadly, I don't think this has anything to do with wanting Next to be a great game.
It has to do with wanting Next to determine who won the Edition War.
[...]
For those of us who just want D&D Next to be a good game, this is getting to be a real drag.


Nov 17, 2010 -- 1:05PM, Jharii wrote:

I think I figured it out.  This program is a character builder, not a character builder.  It teaches patience, empathy, and tolerance.  All most excellent character traits.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:18AM #23
cryptoknight
Date Joined: Aug 21, 2007
Posts: 35
Already done... my sub that has run with auto renew since DDI was available will now expire Nov 20th

Been testing Hero Builder.  If I like it enough, it will be my new offline character builder.

Wizards will lose my automatic annual subscription in exchange for me paying 1-2 times a year for a single month to use the tool that HB gives and download the entire compendium locally.

So instead of $76/year they'll get $20ish... and I still won't buy their books anymore.  Power books aren't worth my time.

Had CB continued to be updated, my auto-renew would have auto-renewed.  I know at least 5 other DDI susbscribers who are waiting for my testing results with HB and when I report that they are going well will also likely turn off auto-renew or request refunds.
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:33AM #24
DMaple
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Date Joined: Mar 20, 2001
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If Hero Builder haven't had a C&D order already they soon will.
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:34AM #25
Jharii
Date Joined: May 3, 2008
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Nov 4, 2010 -- 11:18AM, whitebaron wrote:

You could try, for once, to read my posts instead of just selectively choosing your replies to fit your needs.

I never hinted at whether "a lot of people" are a majority or "merely" a few hundred. IF you quote me, reply to MY post, not just state your intentions over and over.




Yes, as opposed to your reiterations that you don't like the trend that they are headed.  Great.  You shared your opinion repeatedly, I shared mine repeatedly.

Does it satisfy you enough that I quoted your entire reply instead of only the parts that were worth replying to?  Is there anything else that you would like me to say so I know exactly what to say to appease you?

No?  Good.  Have a nice day.

Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.

Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:34AM #26
darjr
Date Joined: Aug 17, 2007
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I've got bad news for you. I'm pretty sure hero builder requires a DDI account.
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:41AM #27
DMaple
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Nov 4, 2010 -- 11:34AM, darjr wrote:

I've got bad news for you. I'm pretty sure hero builder requires a DDI account.




It currently requires it to download the information from the Compendium, but it then stores that locally I believe (which was what Masterplan use to do until their C&D order). 

If they have changed it so it stores no information locally then it would still need to be online to use so wouldn't meet his requirements. 

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:43AM #28
Nyarlathotep
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Date Joined: May 11, 2004
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Nov 4, 2010 -- 11:34AM, darjr wrote:

I've got bad news for you. I'm pretty sure hero builder requires a DDI account.




Or requires you to manually input everything.  Which is why I didn't go with Hero Builder when this whole fiasco started in September.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:43AM #29
whitebaron
Date Joined: Aug 13, 2007
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i actually believe that some of the compendium changes being done are because of masterplan and herobuilder.

people still using the old version of masterplan could still download from DDI - until the new update. :-)
Here be dragons:

May 25, 2012 -- 10:10PM, Dranack wrote:

Sadly, I don't think this has anything to do with wanting Next to be a great game.
It has to do with wanting Next to determine who won the Edition War.
[...]
For those of us who just want D&D Next to be a good game, this is getting to be a real drag.


Nov 17, 2010 -- 1:05PM, Jharii wrote:

I think I figured it out.  This program is a character builder, not a character builder.  It teaches patience, empathy, and tolerance.  All most excellent character traits.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2010 - 11:46AM #30
Mock
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Date Joined: Jul 1, 2008
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Nov 4, 2010 -- 11:43AM, whitebaron wrote:

i actually believe that some of the compendium changes being done are because of masterplan and herobuilder.

people still using the old version of masterplan could still download from DDI - until the new update. :-)




Even if not directly motivated by it, it's a happy accident. WotC is protecting their IP in a manner they decided was best for them. They originally set up the subscription in such a way that 10 bucks a year got you the rules content of everything they published since this DDI thing started. There was no crime or even ethical gray area in taking advantage of that; that's just how it worked. However, it wasn't fun for WotC, so they changed it.

Likewise, they stopped people from continuing to distribute tools that could be used to distribute their information without payment (even if the tool developer had NO intention for it to be used that way; I ascribe no malice to any of the 3rd party tools, either).

Everything about this change benefits Wizards first, and if subscribers see benefit, that's nice too. Not personal, just bidness.

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