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3 years ago ::
Nov 07, 2010 - 10:28PM
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Lucas will buy it.
-Cal
DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS: REVENGE OF THE ANTIPALADINS
Those who keep quoting the EULA at our complaints should live in shame for their reprehensible behavior, as should WotC. Nicolae Ceauşescu never committed acts as reprehensible as the last few weeks here.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 08, 2010 - 7:25PM
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That's my prediction.
4e failed, Essentials won't save it. Hasbro will cut it's losses, and sell the IP to the one company still making a profit off D&D.
Discuss.
I think your prediction regarding 2012 has less merit than that of the ancient Mayans.
Why Mechanics-Alignment Integration is Bad
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so why even play a fighter if you can play the paladin the exact same way behaviorally and get added power to boot. "Paladin" is about accepting better game-enhancing mechanics at the price of more rigid in game behavior.
Really? So it goes something like this?
Fighter: "I want to be a paladin."
NPC: "Really?"
Fighter: "Yes."
NPC: "Very well." Starts reading from a holy book while still in-character "Do you accept having to choose and stick to the lawful good alignment, eventhough neither of us actually knows that it exists or what it is?"
Fighter: "I do."
NPC: "Do you reject good game balance because you accidentally rolled a high Charisma?"
Fighter: "What?"
NPC: "I don't know what it means either."
Fighter: "Oh. Umm, ok I do."
NPC: "In the name of all that is metagamey and broken, accept these better game enhancing mechanics."
Fighter: "These what?"
NPC: "Just get out there and try to fulfill a million different people's notion of good while not violating and part of any of them."
So the system is designed such that every single hit needs to be described to avoid confusion? Here's a scenario. The players are nudists, everybody in the world are nudists, it's not weird, it's totally normal in this land. They are naked and they fight drakes taking damage throughout, but healing up with surges. Later they meet the guy who raised the drakes.
Part 1: I didn't describe any of the hits. What does he see?
Part 2: Lets say I described the drakes as biting the players, yet they healed up. What does he see?
D20 Modern Toon PC Race.
Mecha Pilot's Skill Challenge Emporium.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 08, 2010 - 7:53PM
#43
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LOL!
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3 years ago ::
Nov 10, 2010 - 10:41PM
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4E hasn't failed; its still an improvement over 3.5 and Revenge of Spellcaster Edition, I mean Pathfinder.
Essentials, however, just might kill it.
Truer words were never spoken.
The "Revenge of Spellcaster Edition" was a pretty clever comment in regard to Pathfinder.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2010 - 10:46AM
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DURPA DURPA DURRRR!
Well said.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 12:58PM
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4E hasn't failed; its still an improvement over 3.5 and Revenge of Spellcaster Edition, I mean Pathfinder.
Essentials, however, just might kill it.
Truer words were never spoken.
The "Revenge of Spellcaster Edition" was a pretty clever comment in regard to Pathfinder.
Agreed
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3 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 1:40PM
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Lucas will buy it.
-Cal
DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS: REVENGE OF THE ANTIPALADINS
Poor dialogue while roleplaying gives a +2 to all skill checks.
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3 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 1:49PM
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That's my prediction.
4e failed, Essentials won't save it. Hasbro will cut it's losses, and sell the IP to the one company still making a profit off D&D.
Discuss.
Based on what peer-reviewed statistics that you have there Mr. Limbaugh?
4E hasn't failed; its still an improvement over 3.5 and Revenge of Spellcaster Edition, I mean Pathfinder.
Essentials, however, just might kill it.
Warning: Do not read while drinking. May have to spit in lap to avoid spitting on laptop on table. Also, awesome and agreed 100%.
Don’t forget about the D&D fiction books as a revenue stream to WotC/Hasbro. A lot of folks, many of who do not play D&D, buy and read the books.
No kidding. If they sell D&D, they sell Drizzit. It will never happen. They will just stop publishing D&D as RPG, in favor of nothing but novels and board games, if it came to that.
I suspect, WotC created Essentials because ...
• WotC wanted to steal customers from Pathfinder: old school grognards whor reliable customers.
• Certain designers have nostalgia, and its a personal artistic expression.
• Digital 4e evolves: WotC needed to reformat current rules without obsoleting the books so far.
• WotC wanted an 'essential' entry point that is 'evergreen' and immune to digital evolution. (Good luck with that.)
Points 1 and 2, indeed. In fact, it makes me happy, as it reminds me of the old BECM days. I somewhat question beaking the brand up into 'Basic' and 'Advanced' again, as it did not work so well for TSR, however, this time they are actually compatible with minimum work, so it might be a lot less of a gamble.
Points 3 & 4, however, well, I think we'll find that if the new DDI model does not generate the revenue and book sales they wanted, we'll see DDI dropped as a product within a year.
I'm going to hold on to this thread and bump it twice: once on Jan 1st 2012, and once on Dec 31st, 2012. Assuming the Mayans weren't right, we'll have a good laugh, especially when it hovers above the "Paizo files for Bankruptcy, nobody wants Pathfinder" news thread.
We could only hope. If you turn out to be right, however, I will have to track you down and buy you a beer at the pub.
This bet could get expensive...
No one wins in the Edition Wars. The whole hobby loses. Wizards did not lose me as a DDI subscriber with the Online CB, they lost me long before that. And I have let my Herald Level GM Status lapse after 8 years. Wizards lack of support and the Edition Wars Trolls that are poorly moderated just managed to take all the fun out of public events. ~~ KT
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3 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 2:03PM
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Very clever ... starting rumors about DnD being sold will SURELY bring down the hated, lying W$oTC.
/sarc
Perhaps a better tack would be start charging them for living rent free in your head. But please, keep fantasizing. It's great entertainment while I wait for news on CB fixes and channels certain unhealthy obsessions in a harmless manner.
OD&D, 1E and 2E challenged the player.
3E challenged the character, not the player.
Now 4E takes it a step further by challenging a GROUP OF PLAYERS to work together as a TEAM.
That's why I love 4E.
"Your ability to summon a horde of celestial superbeings at will is making my ... BMX skills look a bit redundant."
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3 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2010 - 2:56PM
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Points 3 & 4, however, well, I think we'll find that if the new DDI model does not generate the revenue and book sales they wanted, we'll see DDI dropped as a product within a year.
Though DDi has done some mis steps recently, don't look for Wizards to give up on it while 4th edition is still around. If the Sub service is scrapped, it will be with the turn over of a new edition, in favor of what should have happened in the first place, stand alone character generators, mappers, dm aids and such. If Wizards still has a hand in it, they should do an update service that renews yearly for monthly (or more often) updates. It should be about 10 percent of the stand alone program price for the annual fee.
I doubt that 5th edition will be structured level by level like 4th edition is, or have the half level gains math.
Whatever subs are lost or not gained by this overall trip and fall flat on face move, the only thing Wizards will do (and seemed to have done in the past) is cut manpower.
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Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner)
Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level.
Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds.
Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
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They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2.
The new sub-sub-classes will be:
* Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks.
* Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank.
* Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture.
* Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things.
* Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind.
Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2).
These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing.
(Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
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