very unhappy with the new program. I will look into canceling and getting a refund on the rest of my subscription. Why not just update the old program with the new rules? New one is terrible. Way to alienate old faithful customers and fans.
signed....very unhappy with the new program. I will look into canceling and getting a refund on the rest of my subscription. Why not just update the old program with the new rules? New one is terrible. Way to alienate old faithful customers and f
I started getting into D&D BECAUSE of the old character builder. It's limited form was free so I checked it out. Making a character was very easy and I soon came to grasp the structure of characters and play. From this point, I began to purchase the rulebooks... but they're very expensive and buying all the ones I need for the game I intend to play is going to take some time; I figured I'd patch this up by becoming a D&D Subscriber and getting the full character builder so that I could patch up the gaps left by my incomplete book collection.
I joined today and I tried to update my awesome ol' Character Builder.
No more Character Builder. Wait... No, here it is. Oh wait, no... It's an online one? Weird. Huh, must be for that online roleplaying thingy or whatever. I think I remember something like that. May as well try to make my character on it. Woah, this thing is TERRIBLE by comparison! Why the hell's it so slow? WHY is it more like an installation process than a recording? (Essentially what my old character builder is.)
Better go find that actual update now.
Oh, it's that rubbish one again. Musta missed it. I'll go back.
Uh. That's weird. This is the same place I downloaded my old one from...
Oh. Please. No. Where're the forums? Surely this'll have gathered attention if it's true.
Here now. Bit disheartened that my year's subscription hasn't been money very well spent. The compendium's nice... meh. The Dragon Magazines are still brilliant... But I didn't really want to pour through them. I was going to use them as reference from the CB. That CB was integral to what I thought I was buying. Guess I just signed up at the wrong frickin' time. :[
Signed.I started getting into D&D BECAUSE of the old character builder. It's limited form was free so I checked it out. Making a character was very easy and I soon came to grasp the structure of characters and play. From this point, I began to purcha
I started getting into D&D BECAUSE of the old character builder. It's limited form was free so I checked it out. Making a character was very easy and I soon came to grasp the structure of characters and play. From this point, I began to purchase the rulebooks... but they're very expensive and buying all the ones I need for the game I intend to play is going to take some time; I figured I'd patch this up by becoming a D&D Subscriber and getting the full character builder so that I could patch up the gaps left by my incomplete book collection.
I joined today and I tried to update my awesome ol' Character Builder.
No more Character Builder. Wait... No, here it is. Oh wait, no... It's an online one? Weird. Huh, must be for that online roleplaying thingy or whatever. I think I remember something like that. May as well try to make my character on it. Woah, this thing is TERRIBLE by comparison! Why the hell's it so slow? WHY is it more like an installation process than a recording? (Essentially what my old character builder is.)
Better go find that actual update now.
Oh, it's that rubbish one again. Musta missed it. I'll go back.
Uh. That's weird. This is the same place I downloaded my old one from...
Oh. Please. No. Where're the forums? Surely this'll have gathered attention if it's true.
Here now. Bit disheartened that my year's subscription hasn't been money very well spent. The compendium's nice... meh. The Dragon Magazines are still brilliant... But I didn't really want to pour through them. I was going to use them as reference from the CB. That CB was integral to what I thought I was buying. Guess I just signed up at the wrong frickin' time. :[
Sorry to hear your plight. This is just the sort of bait n switch **** I've been expecting for quite some time now. It never really gets any better.
Sorry to hear your plight. This is just the sort of bait n switch **** I've been expecting for quite some time now. It never really gets any better.
Signed, enough is enough. I have been an avid supporter of WOTC since 3.0 and recruited many of my friends over the last 10 years. But I am sick and tired of being spat on by WOTC. This CB fiasco was the final straw for me. I might be willing to forgive if WOTC were to issue some sort of apology, but I am not going to hold my breath. Currently my home group is starting to talk about switching back to 3.5, at least with that, as we already own a massive collection of source material.
Best of luck to you WOTC.
Brian
Signed, enough is enough. I have been an avid supporter of WOTC since 3.0 and recruited many of my friends over the last 10 years. But I am sick and tired of being spat on by WOTC. This CB fiasco was the final straw for me. I might be willing to
Signed. This was the dumbest idea and the worst thing a company should do. This new CB should be terminated and the old one restored. I strongly recommend that you guys who bought the year subscription to sue this company to give them a lesson in how to treat a customer.
Signed. This was the dumbest idea and the worst thing a company should do. This new CB should be terminated and the old one restored. I strongly recommend that you guys who bought the year subscription to sue this company to give them a lesson in how
I guess they can't please everyone, no matter what they do. If they left it alone, the other people would still be complaining. That's all we hear about.
I only looked at a bit of this thread, and it's clear that you guys are angry, and that's fine, but do we really need to hear about it?
It will never end. Someone will always be angry.
You guys won't subscribe, but other people who didn't, or couldn't, will now subscribe because of the changes. There will likely be more people joining than those that are leaving. At least they would hope that's the case. I think it will be the case, personally.
So go on, don't renew. That's fine. Some people, lots of them likely, will subscribe to the new system. That's fine too.
I guess they can't please everyone, no matter what they do. If they left it alone, the other people would still be complaining. That's all we hear about. I only looked at a bit of this thread, and it's clear that you guys are angry, and that's fine,
I only looked at a bit of this thread, and it's clear that you guys are angry, and that's fine, but do we really need to hear about it?
"We" no. "WotC" yes. If we don't tell them why we're leaving, there's no hope they'll change any of the things that led us to our decisions. I admit, however, that WotC's current level of communication makes this something akin to yelling at the wall and expecting the bricks to change color.
You guys won't subscribe, but other people who didn't, or couldn't, will now subscribe because of the changes. There will likely be more people joining than those that are leaving. At least they would hope that's the case. I think it will be the case, personally.
Oh, I hope you're right. I want them all to make ridiculous amounts of money and then swim around in it like Scrooge McDuck. The problem is, its generally easier to avoid ticking off people who are already sold on your product than it is to replace them with brand new people.
Its hard enough to convince new people to step away from WoW for four hours and pick up some dice. Nothing in the last few months has changed that, except for the decisions that made the few hundred people in this thread walk away. A few hundred people that changed from being paying customers to anti-advertising. That'll be a lot of ground to make up. I hope they can do it.
"We" no. "WotC" yes. If we don't tell them why we're leaving, there's no hope they'll change any of the things that led us to our decisions. I admit, however, that WotC's current level of communication makes this something akin to yelling at the w
"We" no. "WotC" yes. If we don't tell them why we're leaving, there's no hope they'll change any of the things that led us to our decisions. I admit, however, that WotC's current level of communication makes this something akin to yelling at the wall and expecting the bricks to change color.
Isn't that what customer service is for?
The fact we have these forums doesn't mean our opinions matter. Everyone seems to think that their thoughts are something people should care about. Not the case at all. Deal with it there. Not here. That's all I'm saying.
We don't need to write agreed or signed to a thread that they might look at. Send them a million emails, and then see what happens.
You guys won't subscribe, but other people who didn't, or couldn't, will now subscribe because of the changes. There will likely be more people joining than those that are leaving. At least they would hope that's the case. I think it will be the case, personally.
Oh, I hope you're right. I want them all to make ridiculous amounts of money and then swim around in it like Scrooge McDuck. The problem is, its generally easier to avoid ticking off people who are already sold on your product than it is to replace them with brand new people.
Its hard enough to convince new people to step away from WoW for four hours and pick up some dice. Nothing in the last few months has changed that, except for the decisions that made the few hundred people in this thread walk away. A few hundred people that changed from being paying customers to anti-advertising. That'll be a lot of ground to make up. I hope they can do it.
Like I said, all of the people who complained about not being able to use the software on their macs and linux boxes, all have a simpler way to do it now. That's going to replace those that leave, I would bet. I would say that's a step in the right direction. Having people access the system from multiple platforms is huge. Much more so than having only those using Windows systems.
It's my opinion, and it doesn't matter anyway.
Isn't that what customer service is for?The fact we have these forums doesn't mean our opinions matter. Everyone seems to think that their thoughts are something people should care about. Not the case at all. Deal with it there. Not here. That's all
And if WoTC views such things as a congressionall office would where each email/letter/call = 30-50 people depending on where they live WoTC has alot of very unhappy folks out there. I didnt join these forums until these changes happened hell I didnt really know they existed.
Makes you wonder how much money WoTC is losing with this horrid beta. Auto-renew Cancelled.
Signed.And if WoTC views such things as a congressionall office would where each email/letter/call = 30-50 people depending on where they live WoTC has alot of very unhappy folks out there.I didnt join these forums until these changes happened hell I
signed. I just bought a pathfinder book. Probably go that way. So lame. I can't see a product from wotc in the next 6 months that i am interested in either. I was so excited about Dark Sun, and now with this I'm so sick to my stomatch that I wasted money on a DDI subscription in good faith. Here I am maybe 3 months in realizing what a damned waste it was.
signed. I just bought a pathfinder book. Probably go that way. So lame. I can't see a product from wotc in the next 6 months that i am interested in either. I was so excited about Dark Sun, and now with this I'm so sick to my stomatch that I wasted m
Epic Fail. Wish I'd known months ago this web-only CB were what my subscription dollars were being wasted on. I shall be immediately cancelling my subscription and will only be using the OFFLINE Character Builder which is still months (years!) ahead of the web-based version AND I can even *shudder* use it without being shackled to the internet.
Goodbye D&DI, maybe I'll peek back in 9-12 months to see if you're back from your LSD trip.
Signed. :banghead:Epic Fail. Wish I'd known months ago this web-only CB were what my subscription dollars were being wasted on. I shall be immediately cancelling my subscription and will only be using the OFFLINE Character Builder which is still mo
And it's not just the original reasons listed by dbmeboy 3 weeks ago. There have been additional half-truths since then that have only recently come to light, such as the ability for hackers to easily add Dark Sun and Essentials content into the CBC, whereas WotC claimed that it was too difficult.
I doubt that a public "apology" is forthcoming, but I certainly think some sort of public, conciliatory act is warranted. Customers do not appreciate being lied to!
Signed. And it's not just the original reasons listed by dbmeboy 3 weeks ago. There have been additional half-truths since then that have only recently come to light, such as the ability for hackers to easily add Dark Sun and Essentials content int
The tag line says it has never been easier or more enjoyable to create characters and I gotta say its neither I can't even use the CB in its present condition won't load, maybe I should reinstall it ... oh wait it's not a program
SignedThe tag line says it has never been easier or more enjoyable to create characters and I gotta say its neither I can't even use the CB in its present condition won't load, maybe I should reinstall it ... oh wait it's not a program
I'm a new subscriber - and just cancelled it after one month. Not only am I irked about the CB being web-based only, when I asked about it - a moderater deleted my thread. (sweeping it under the rug? seriously?)
I guess we're giving up on 4th edition and sticking with 3.5
Now going to add my voice to this: Signed.I'm a new subscriber - and just cancelled it after one month. Not only am I irked about the CB being web-based only, when I asked about it - a moderater deleted my thread. (sweeping it under the rug? seri
Signed. Happily, due to a glitch on WotC's end, my billing address vanished, so I didn't even have to go to the trouble of canceling my subscription myself!
Signed. Happily, due to a glitch on WotC's end, my billing address vanished, so I didn't even have to go to the trouble of canceling my subscription myself!
Wow a person on the internet that cant understand that paying customers dont like being lied to and be told that the new online character builder will be just as functional as the old offline version but also with the added benifit of dark sun and essensials. When this is clearly not the case.
When a company has not only lied to its customers but also failed to live up to their own claims when it comes to the product they deliver it is to be expected that the customers of the company will make it clear that they are not satisfied. This is exactly what the others posters in this thread has been doing in case you missed that fact.
Wow a person on the internet that cant understand that paying customers dont like being lied to and be told that the new online character builder will be just as functional as the old offline version but also with the added benifit of dark sun and es
I could live with some missing features, but the constant crashing makes something that should be fun, a huge pain.
I don't know if I'll cancel my sub right now, but I can't say that I'm in a forgiving mood anymore.
Oh and signed.
I could live with some missing features, but the constant crashing makes something that should be fun, a huge pain.I don't know if I'll cancel my sub right now, but I can't say that I'm in a forgiving mood anymore.Oh and signed.
I don't see a point in this at all. Canceling your subs just pushes things back more for development anyways. I have not been lied to, and sure some features are not there but I don't care. I am investing in DDI. If you believe in what DDI could be then be more productive and help out in some ways. D&D has always thrived on a close nit community and sadly that seems have gone away the past few months. OP puts a lot of blame on WoTC staff. No company this size would just flat out lie to their clients. There are things going on behind the scenes that I am sure are taking their toll on the staff and projects. But things are looking up at the moment. Just keep posting your complaints and possible solutions on the boards and give some positive feedback once in a while to motivate the staff to work hard. We can make or break DDI. Lets try to be helpful.
I don't see a point in this at all. Canceling your subs just pushes things back more for development anyways. I have not been lied to, and sure some features are not there but I don't care. I am investing in DDI. If you believe in what DDI could
I don't see a point in this at all. Canceling your subs just pushes things back more for development anyways. I have not been lied to, and sure some features are not there but I don't care. I am investing in DDI. If you believe in what DDI could be then be more productive and help out in some ways. D&D has always thrived on a close nit community and sadly that seems have gone away the past few months. OP puts a lot of blame on WoTC staff. No company this size would just flat out lie to their clients. There are things going on behind the scenes that I am sure are taking their toll on the staff and projects. But things are looking up at the moment. Just keep posting your complaints and possible solutions on the boards and give some positive feedback once in a while to motivate the staff to work hard. We can make or break DDI. Lets try to be helpful.
Wow a person on the internet that cant understand that paying customers dont like being lied to and be told that the new online character builder will be just as functional as the old offline version but also with the added benifit of dark sun and essensials. When this is clearly not the case.
When a company has not only lied to its customers but also failed to live up to their own claims when it comes to the product they deliver it is to be expected that the customers of the company will make it clear that they are not satisfied. This is exactly what the others posters in this thread has been doing in case you missed that fact.
Do you not think that the new CB will not have the features of the new offline CB?! I will still be using the offline CB till they allow for House Rules to be used for character creation. Its actually about time that the CB is moved into the 'cloud' anyways.
Wow a person on the internet that cant understand that paying customers dont like being lied to and be told that the new online character builder will be just as functional as the old offline version but also with the added benifit of dark sun and es
To have a program of any kind go from being a functional application to being half of the function and none of the advantage (Offline vs. Online) is not a good step for Wizards. Development has been stopped, basically, for the CB, and this new Character Previewer is put in it's place. It isn't the same, has less to offer, and doesn't do the basic job that the previous progam has done.
It is like replacing a game like Unreal Tournament with Pong.
To have a program of any kind go from being a functional application to being half of the function and none of the advantage (Offline vs. Online) is not a good step for Wizards. Development has been stopped, basically, for the CB, and this new Charac
To have a program of any kind go from being a functional application to being half of the function and none of the advantage (Offline vs. Online) is not a good step for Wizards. Development has been stopped, basically, for the CB, and this new Character Previewer is put in it's place. It isn't the same, has less to offer, and doesn't do the basic job that the previous progam has done.
It is like replacing a game like Unreal Tournament with Pong.
But I am NOT going back to Pathfinder '3.75', 3.5, 3.0, 2, AD&D, or D&D. I love 4th Edition. Only D&D edition I ever liked and actually wanted to play (as opposed to being 'forced' because it was the only game which everyone had the basic book).
I am sticking to my CBC and the books I have. Anything new that catches my eyes will be 'house rules' I and my group agree on.
/SignedEnded my subscription to DDI.But I am NOT going back to Pathfinder '3.75', 3.5, 3.0, 2, AD&D, or D&D. I love 4th Edition. Only D&D edition I ever liked and actually wanted to play (as opposed to being 'forced' because it was the only game whic
I have turned off auto-renew, but the eternal optimist in me will pray for a miracle.
I too was one of the subscribers to the beta version of the CB, and I loved it for both its functionality and convenience and also for the regular updates which made me feel like WOTC was as invested in my enjoyment as a customer as I was invested in their continued success. (I mean, they were creating stuff for the hobby I love) This new unviable fetus they have slipped into our pockets wheh we weren't looking needs to be given a decent burial.
I am almost completely ignorant about platforms and programming etc, all I can see is ..... it just doesn't work. The new charCRAHactCRASHer CRASHbuiCRASHldCRASHer is less useful than not having one at all. At least when I spend hours trawling through my books they don't freeze and stop working when I try to print something.
The people who truly need to read the anger on these fora is not the WOTC customer people, nor even the developers of this mess - it is the CEO and the Board of Hasbro.
Yes, I know they are running a huge company of which the D&D game is a minute part, but any business person worth his or her NaCl knows that one happy customer will bring themselves and 3 others to your business, but an unhappy one will make sure 15 others stay away.
An apology would be nice. Fixing things would be nicer.
I was trying to think of a punishment that could be meted out to those who made these stupid decisions, and the worst thing I could think of was that they should be forced to create every single character they want to play at ANY convention or even home game on the new monstrosity and see how long it takes THEM to demand something better.
Stephen Daniels - angry (but mostly sad) Australian Gamer
signedI have turned off auto-renew, but the eternal optimist in me will pray for a miracle.I too was one of the subscribers to the beta version of the CB, and I loved it for both its functionality and convenience and also for the regular updates whic
I am sticking to my CBC and the books I have. Anything new that catches my eyes will be 'house rules' I and my group agree on.
I haven't decided whether to cancel my sub, but I am now doing what you're doing -- sticking with CBC and the more than thirty 4th Edition books I have already purchased. Yes more than thirty hardcover books -- they have released that many.
I'm also not touching Essentials with a 1st edition 10' pole. IMHO they should have left Essentials as an "introductory" experience and not incorporated it into the base/core 4E game. All Essentials has done is muddy what were once relatively clean waters.
I haven't decided whether to cancel my sub, but I am now doing what you're doing -- sticking with CBC and the more than thirty 4th Edition books I have already purchased. Yes more than thirty hardcover books -- they have released that many. I'm also
Signed. I've already elected to stop supporting 4E. This appalling approach to "customer service" makes my skin crawl. Essentials is a joke, and represents possibly the worst product launch I have ever witnessed, in any industry. That's right...worse than Daikatana. WotC, please remove the incompetent people from your structure, and please apologize to the large number of your customers that you have alienated.
Signed. I've already elected to stop supporting 4E. This appalling approach to "customer service" makes my skin crawl. Essentials is a joke, and represents possibly the worst product launch I have ever witnessed, in any industry. That's right...w
I too am leaving the DDi family of subscribers when my current membership expires. I could have already owned outright the last of the books which I still haven't purchased due to paying for services that never were delivered as announced/promised. I am especially disappointed because I stopped playing WoW and dedicated untold hours to Organizing & running LFR games at our local FLGS where I promoted DDi shamelessly based on the promises that were never fulfilled. I am now spending my last couple months explaining to all the players (who came to play as a result of my dedication) that I will be leaving as Organizer & no longer feel that DDi is a viable product/service for them to invest in for their gaming needs.
I literally am going through a type of heartbreak as I let go of the D&D games that I was putting so much into making sure happened. My love affair with D&D has been going on longer than I can remember & now I have to walk away from it since I can no longer trust the company who is making the game/product.
**Like all fools in love, I am still watching during the final moments for any sign that things are changing so that the need to end the relationship can be overcome.
SIGNEDI too am leaving the DDi family of subscribers when my current membership expires. I could have already owned outright the last of the books which I still haven't purchased due to paying for services that never were delivered as announced/promi
By the way the VTT is a bust as well. It has no Character Builder or Monster Builder integration. No non WOTC content import capability. Exporting nearly anything you make is broken. It isn't nearly as functional as the current free apps out there. The quality is on par with the other DDI failures. Don't let the VTT hype bait you into hanging around for more disappointment.
DDI HAD one decent app. Too bad its gone!
Signed. By the way the VTT is a bust as well. It has no Character Builder or Monster Builder integration. No non WOTC content import capability. Exporting nearly anything you make is broken. It isn't nearly as functional as the current free apps
I thought one of the main functions of the new Character Builder was to allow for immediate rules updates -- I am still waiting for a December update !
Signed.I thought one of the main functions of the new Character Builder was to allow for immediate rules updates -- I am still waiting for a December update !
I have been a subscriber for over a year and I too find the level of stupidity demonstrated by WotC over the last 6 months to be mind-boggling. If this was some greedy ploy to make more people sign up for D&D Insider than it has backfired in my case. Unless someone at WotC gets enough sack to apologize to all of the loyal fans they have defecated on I will not renew my subscription and instead seek out 3rd party sources. At least I feel confident that most of the 3rd party developers are more interested in getting their products on my game table than they are getting their hands in my wallet.
// Signed //I have been a subscriber for over a year and I too find the level of stupidity demonstrated by WotC over the last 6 months to be mind-boggling. If this was some greedy ploy to make more people sign up for D&D Insider than it has backfire
Executioner Article, which is already a month overdue, has been pushed back from tomorrow to Tuesday. I already canceled my auto-renew weeks ago, but at this point I'm perfectly happy not spending any money on 4e products ever again. Including books, figures and whatever other drek they put out.
Signed!Executioner Article, which is already a month overdue, has been pushed back from tomorrow to Tuesday. I already canceled my auto-renew weeks ago, but at this point I'm perfectly happy not spending any money on 4e products ever again. Including
Signed wholeheartedly. This is an atrocity of the highest order, and the ultimate sign of capitalism gone horribly wrong: the company has stopped caring about the customer and is focused only on self-indulgence of whatever they think will make this edition more like past ones.
Signed wholeheartedly. This is an atrocity of the highest order, and the ultimate sign of capitalism gone horribly wrong: the company has stopped caring about the customer and is focused only on self-indulgence of whatever they think will make this e
The change to character generator is definitely a step in the wrong direction. The new tool feels bulky and slow, it also lacks some very important capabilities, such as an ability to create custom restrictions on the allowed material. Also, inability to see short descriptions of feats without clicking on each one, coupled with ENORMOUS amount of allowed feats makes the choice nearly impossible.
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to stick to the old tool, and since DDI no longer provides support for it, I find that I no longer require DDI subscription.
The change to character generator is definitely a step in the wrong direction. The new tool feels bulky and slow, it also lacks some very important capabilities, such as an ability to create custom restrictions on the allowed material. Also, inabilit
I agree that, as the lack of customer service and sound judgment on the part of WotC concerning Insider content appears to be a continual process, so too must the customers make a continual process of voicing their displeasure rather than lumping all such comments into a single gargantuan (and thus more easily neglected) posting.
So after having been a faithful Insider almost since the original inception, I too have decided to allow my subscription to finally lapse when the expiry date arrives in a couple months. A careful and fair analysis has determined for me that I am no longer receiving the value of my money for the service.
This decision is not based solely upon the new inadequate CB, although it could be considered the straw (more like the baseball bat) that broke the camel’s back. Remaining Insider content:
1. The excellent Adventure Tools download will now also no longer be supported. Those extra buttons are now merely tombstones for a great service died a premature death.
2. Online Compendium. Functional, useful at times but no longer “Essential” for those who already have the core books and the new Rules Compendium (all of which could be picked up for close to the yearly subscription cost).
3. Dungeon, Dragon magazine, art galleries and recurring articles like Save my Game, Class Acts and Features. Obviously WotC felt that they were losing money with the downloadable CB by people only having to buy 1 month subscriptions to get unlimited (albeit without update) access to it and the equivalent of all the Adventurer’s Vaults, PC Source Power books, etc. No different here, in 1 month one can easily copy and store the entire archive of adventures, art and whatever else one may choose from the available material, as there's nothing in this area instrumental enough to require perpetual access. If Wizards intends to put the squeeze on their customers by holding the CB “ransom” as an exclusively online service, it’s unfortunate but foreseeable that those same customers would do the same for this material in order to retain some value for their investment.
4. Virtual Tabletop. We were promised this in the back of the Core Rules books on 4.0 Launch day. 2 ½ years later and while all I've seen is some talk about a beta test version, my ever-increasing bill seems to think the VT is already available and working fine.
Any other services here that I’m missing? If not, we are definitely missing significant value here for our money. Sure it’s only $80 on the year (for now), But no one would pay $80 for a magazine subscription for which you never received any issues, so what’s left to justify this expenditure?
I’ll continue to buy the published products, of course (I admit to being rather addicted to Dungeon Tiles, and it’s cool to have a bookcase solely devoted to D&D) but if Wizards intends to make Insider a worthwhile investment for its clientele, there’s going to have to be a lot of improvements before my cash will be going back to this service.
I agree that, as the lack of customer service and sound judgment on the part of WotC concerning Insider content appears to be a continual process, so too must the customers make a continual process of voicing their displeasure rather than lumping all
Signed. I subscribed for my bi-yearly download of Dungeon and Dragon magazine. I bought the "Red Box" for my nephews and while it had a few mistakes in it (not knowing what your HP was because you didn't get hit in the first part of the solo choose your path adventure), it was interesting and allows my nephews to play when not around me. I took them online to create new characters in the OCB. We used the default choices for each of their characters and it literally chose unoptimized builds and had bad math for the weapons and attacks as well as leaving some equipment unequipped. It crashed several times. Timed out within 10 seconds four times while trying to alter one character. It was slow and annoying with several screens that just weren't necessary...
In the newest Dragon or Dungeon magazine (I don't remember which) they said they've formed a committee to oversee DDi... Yeah...
I'm about done with D&D. I'm going to go try an MMO which are free now and have proper support and just plain work...
Signed. I subscribed for my bi-yearly download of Dungeon and Dragon magazine. I bought the "Red Box" for my nephews and while it had a few mistakes in it (not knowing what your HP was because you didn't get hit in the first part of the solo choose y
I've given the online CB a try but I find it slow and cumbersome to use. And the fact that it's an online only application is a problem for me.
I'll have to see if Dragon and Dungeon magazine content is enough to justify continuing my subscription.
Signed.I've given the online CB a try but I find it slow and cumbersome to use. And the fact that it's an online only application is a problem for me.I'll have to see if Dragon and Dungeon magazine content is enough to justify continuing my subscript
You mean you didn't see this coming? You really didn't see WoTC selling out? Trying to squeeze every dime out of you?
Powers for fighters? Controllers, tanks, and strikers? When Dungeons and dragons starts to resemble WoW more then.... ... Dungeons and Dragons. Something is wrong. They have clearly been stringing people along from the start. Virtual table top promises, and previews of 3D kickass virtual table top but nothing for years. Now what they are going to give you for a fee... looks a lot like whats out there for free. And now all the 4e fanboys want an apology? THIS is what you all asked for by supporting 4e. You asked for a WoW version of DnD and they are doing their best to make it that way. Meaning keeping you paying a monthly subscription for things you dont really need in the first place.
I am just glad to see the most popular topic is that of people quitting DDI.
Lol I remember when 4e came out they said that they would delete all bad comments about 4e. Having to make a statement like that should have been enough to let everyone know they do not care about their loyal paying customers who try to express their opinion on where their game is going. They only care about the next dollar and the next customer.
Im just glad that DnD is all books and dice. Cause I can still play the good versions, even if they take the company and franchise into the crapper. And I don't have to subscribe.
You mean you didn't see this coming? You really didn't see WoTC selling out? Trying to squeeze every dime out of you?Powers for fighters? Controllers, tanks, and strikers? When Dungeons and dragons starts to resemble WoW more then.... ... Dungeon
You mean you didn't see this coming? You really didn't see WoTC selling out? Trying to squeeze every dime out of you?
Powers for fighters? Controllers, tanks, and strikers? When Dungeons and dragons starts to resemble WoW more then.... ... Dungeons and Dragons. Something is wrong. They have clearly been stringing people along from the start. Virtual table top promises, and previews of 3D kickass virtual table top but nothing for years. Now what they are going to give you for a fee... looks a lot like whats out there for free. And now all the 4e fanboys want an apology? THIS is what you all asked for by supporting 4e. You asked for a WoW version of DnD and they are doing their best to make it that way. Meaning keeping you paying a monthly subscription for things you dont really need in the first place.
I am just glad to see the most popular topic is that of people quitting DDI.
Lol I remember when 4e came out they said that they would delete all bad comments about 4e. Having to make a statement like that should have been enough to let everyone know they do not care about their loyal paying customers who try to express their opinion on where their game is going. They only care about the next dollar and the next customer.
Im just glad that DnD is all books and dice. Cause I can still play the good versions, even if they take the company and franchise into the crapper. And I don't have to subscribe.
Lol I remember when 4e came out they said that they would delete all bad comments about 4e. Having to make a statement like that should have been enough to let everyone know they do not care about their loyal paying customers who try to express their opinion on where their game is going. They only care about the next dollar and the next customer.
I am sorry, but that is the funniest thing I have read on these forums in a long time.
WotC doesn't delete or shut down threaads that are overwhelmingly negative about its products. They just don't do it. In the run-up to 4E, they had an entire forum devoted to it. If they did do it, why are all the threads in the DDI forums still here? Wouldn't they, by your own statement, be removing them?
I am sorry, but that is the funniest thing I have read on these forums in a long time.WotC doesn't delete or shut down threaads that are overwhelmingly negative about its products. They just don't do it. In the run-up to 4E, they had an entire forum
I am sorry, but that is the funniest thing I have read on these forums in a long time.
WotC doesn't delete or shut down threaads that are overwhelmingly negative about its products. They just don't do it. In the run-up to 4E, they had an entire forum devoted to it. If they did do it, why are all the threads in the DDI forums still here? Wouldn't they, by your own statement, be removing them?
Things have improved, though I do seem to recall back when Gleemax started up that negative threads were all getting removed and dumped into a ghetto thread, and there were instances of threads and posts that were critical of moderation and certain persons no longer employed by WotC getting deleted outright. Thankfully that ended after Gleemax was put to pasture.
Ah the days of 4vengers, the cronyism of fanboys getting to become VCLs with pretty much zero training except a willingness to toe the line, etc etc. Things have improved. How much is sometimes hard to say since a ton of people left the forums since then, but the moderation is largely better.
Things have improved, though I do seem to recall back when Gleemax started up that negative threads were all getting removed and dumped into a ghetto thread, and there were instances of threads and posts that were critical of moderation and certain p
Things have improved, though I do seem to recall back when Gleemax started up that negative threads were all getting removed and dumped into a ghetto thread, and there were instances of threads and posts that were critical of moderation and certain persons no longer employed by WotC getting deleted outright. Thankfully that ended after Gleemax was put to pasture.
Threads critical of moderation have, for as long as I have been on the forums, always been touch-and-go as to whether they stay or not. As long as they remain somewhat general, they have a higher chance of staying than if they start heading towards a specific topic or thread. From my observation, complaints about moderation go in circles, from being too strict on anti-WotC people to too strict on pro-WotC people, with no appreciablke change in what is moderated.
Threads critical of moderation have, for as long as I have been on the forums, always been touch-and-go as to whether they stay or not. As long as they remain somewhat general, they have a higher chance of staying than if they start heading towards a
Lol I remember when 4e came out they said that they would delete all bad comments about 4e. Having to make a statement like that should have been enough to let everyone know they do not care about their loyal paying customers who try to express their opinion on where their game is going. They only care about the next dollar and the next customer.
I am sorry, but that is the funniest thing I have read on these forums in a long time.
WotC doesn't delete or shut down threaads that are overwhelmingly negative about its products. They just don't do it. In the run-up to 4E, they had an entire forum devoted to it. If they did do it, why are all the threads in the DDI forums still here? Wouldn't they, by your own statement, be removing them?
Yeah, they made a dump room for the hate mail and removed the negative comments from the GENERAL 4e threads. Throwing negative comments into a different thread is called damage control. They did not simply start a thread for negative comments to be taken seriously, they created a place to put the things they didn't want the general public readers to see.
And on your final thoughts, I am using past tense. I am only talking about launch time frame and a specific statement they themselves made. I also did not go into any detail into how or if they enforced that statement. I only mentioned that they did indeed say that, and it is the statement alone that brings to light what I am trying to say. Everything you said... is irrelevant and fanboyish. Clearly you are not paying attention to what I am writting, and instead having an emotional reaction to someone stating something contrary to your ideal image of WoTC.
I am sorry, but that is the funniest thing I have read on these forums in a long time.WotC doesn't delete or shut down threaads that are overwhelmingly negative about its products. They just don't do it. In the run-up to 4E, they had an entire forum
Yeah, they made a dump room for the hate mail and removed the negative comments from the GENERAL 4e threads. Throwing negative comments into a different thread is called damage control.
Wait a minute. Up above you said that they were deleting them whole-sale?? Now all of a sudden they are simply moving them?
They did not simply start a thread for negative comments to be taken seriously, they created a place to put the things they didn't want the general public readers to see.
Because it is so easy to overlook a thread that runs to several thousand posts.
They moved the hate posts from the other threads because there were people trying to discuss at-will powers (for example) and there would be a bunch of posts about how "4E is for stupid people" that had *nothing* to do with the topic of the thread. So, rather than delete them (which you originally claimed they were doing), they moved them to another thread where people could discuss it and so the people discussing other topics would not be bothered. Of course, I should point out that if it was someone pointing out how at-will powers suck, and they gave reasons for it, those posts stayed in the original thread.
And on your final thoughts, I am using past tense. I am only talking about launch time frame and a specific statement they themselves made. I also did not go into any detail into how or if they enforced that statement. I only mentioned that they did indeed say that, and it is the statement alone that brings to light what I am trying to say.
Do you have proof on this? I was around on the forums from the time they annoucned 4E, and was heavily involved in the CM side of things, *especially* in the Concerns and Criticisms forum, and never once saw them say anything like that.
Wait a minute. Up above you said that they were deleting them whole-sale?? Now all of a sudden they are simply moving them?Because it is so easy to overlook a thread that runs to several thousand posts. They moved the hate posts from the other thread
Yeah, they made a dump room for the hate mail and removed the negative comments from the GENERAL 4e threads. Throwing negative comments into a different thread is called damage control.
Wait a minute. Up above you said that they were deleting them whole-sale?? Now all of a sudden they are simply moving them?
They did both back during the early Gleemax period when G0 was around. It was an interesting time to be friends with a WizO or two and some of the internal drama regarding forum moderation and the VCL program.
Wait a minute. Up above you said that they were deleting them whole-sale?? Now all of a sudden they are simply moving them?[/quote]They did both back during the early Gleemax period when G0 was around. It was an interesting time to be friends with a
Lol I remember when 4e came out they said that they would delete all bad comments about 4e. Having to make a statement like that should have been enough to let everyone know they do not care about their loyal paying customers who try to express their opinion on where their game is going. They only care about the next dollar and the next customer.
Ok, since I have to spoon feed it to you. (Which further proves my point about 4e fanboys) Where in my original post did I say they deleted anything? Where in this small paragraph above did I mention them doing anything with posts? Give up? Nowhere. I am talking about a statement they made. I never said anything about actually deleting. So your comments are still utterly and completely irrelevant, not that anyone is surprised.
And doing any kind of search, through who knows how many posts, in the first couple of months 4e was released would be much more trouble then your believing me is worth. I could care less. I can't convince the pope that god is not real, any more then I can convince a die hard fanboy like you that WoTC is shady. But your ignorance that is clearly displayed in your weak arguments, is more then enough evidence that they probably did make such a post, and you just didn't understand what they were actually saying if you indeed ever came across it.
Ok, since I have to spoon feed it to you. (Which further proves my point about 4e fanboys) Where in my original post did I say they deleted anything? Where in this small paragraph above did I mention them doing anything with posts? Give up? Nowhe
So your comments are still utterly and completely irrelevant, not that anyone is surprised.
Bold added to draw attention to what you said.
Where is this coming from? "Not that anyone is surprised"? Do you know Mudbunny? Do you somehow speak for the community as a whole and know how we feel about him?
Where's all this rage coming from? Is it worth it? Does it help?
And doing any kind of search, through who knows how many posts, in the first couple of months 4e was released would be much more trouble then your believing me is worth. I could care less.
Clearly you do care. 3 years later and you're still ranting about it.
I can't convince the pope that god is not real, any more then I can convince a die hard fanboy like you that WoTC is shady. But your ignorance that is clearly displayed in your weak arguments, is more then enough evidence that they probably did make such a post, and you just didn't understand what they were actually saying if you indeed ever came across it.
I call this "nerd flexing". Insult the perceived competition with the dread phrase "fanboy" and claim intellectual superiorty over an argument. Dude, take a hint: this doesn't read very well.
Bold added to draw attention to what you said.Where is this coming from? "Not that anyone is surprised"? Do you know Mudbunny? Do you somehow speak for the community as a whole and know how we feel about him?Where's all this rage coming from? Is i
Lol I remember when 4e came out they said that they would delete all bad comments about 4e. Having to make a statement like that should have been enough to let everyone know they do not care about their loyal paying customers who try to express their opinion on where their game is going. They only care about the next dollar and the next customer.
Where in my original post did I say they deleted anything? Where in this small paragraph above did I mention them doing anything with posts? Give up? Nowhere. I am talking about a statement they made.
So your proof that they hate the customers is that they said they would do something and then never actually followed through?? That makes even less sense than the conversations I have with my half-asleep 3 year old daughter.
And doing any kind of search, through who knows how many posts, in the first couple of months 4e was released would be much more trouble then your believing me is worth.
shrug
Your choice. But when you make as bold a statement as that, are you really surprised that someone asked you to provide proof?
(Note that from here on, you is used in the general sense, not the specific.)
These forums are discussion boards, not echo chambers (despite the fervent wishes of some people), so when you post something, people will respond. Ad-hominem attacks against the people who question your point of view, as opposed to actually discussing the topic do not strengthen your point. Rather, they drive home the idea that your argument is without merit and can be quite safely ignored.
Where in my original post did I say they deleted anything? Where in this small paragraph above did I mention them doing anything with posts? Give up? Nowhere. I am talking about a statement they made.[/quote]So your proof that they hate the cust
Style75: Due to technical difficulty my thoughtful response to most of your comments are gone. Here is a watered down version. I just don't care. Especially when you make the same mistake mudbunny did in the middle of your response, and not pay attention to the very sentence you quote. Mudbunnys believing me being worthless was the main idea of that sentence, and what I was referring to when I said I don't care. Your comment about 3 years is miss placed, and wrong anyway. I don't care, I just made a side comment about something I remember and mudbunny went on a personal crusade.
You should also look up rage, this is not it. Closer to contempt. Read on for why.
Mudbunny: I am not attacking you for questioning my point of view. I am not attacking you at all. You keep doing the same thing over and over again. In your last post you said something about my "proof that they hate their customers". That again is a clear display that you make things up, misunderstand ideas conveyed via message board posts, and are "questioning my point of view" on emotion alone. I never said they hated anybody. That is a creation of your imagination derived from the idea that I somehow am your enemy. The way you "question my point of view" reminds me of religious fanatics who say that people who are pro choice hate children and want to kill everyones kids.
I say your comments are worthless because when the first thing you say (write) is a complete fabrication, how can you be taken seriously? How can I have a discussion with someone who claims I say something that I didn't? To continue the discussion would be trying to prove a point I do not even want to make, because it is not mine. Instead I have to break down (spoon feed) what I actually said and try to deliver it to you in a way you might be receptive (Here comes the airplane *airplane noises*).
I said they made a statement, you went on and on about how they never deleted comments. I was talking about the statement, you were talking about something else. Your believing me is not worth me searching around for a 3 year old post. That is just a fact of life, sorry. I said they do not care about loyal customer base, you said that I am trying to prove they hate their customers. I see your comments as worthless because they have nothing to do with what I am actually talking about.
Only because you brought your daughter into this will I respond to that statement at length.
mudbunny: "So your proof that they hate the customers is that they said they would do something and then never actually followed through?? That makes even less sense than the conversations I have with my half-asleep 3 year old daughter."
Again, your worrying about proof of something I was never trying to "prove". I never said they hate anybody. The main idea is that they made a statement which showed a complete understanding and preparation for the negative backlash from the "old school" (not sure what to call it) loyal customer base. Meaning from the 80's to early 2000's customer base. They knew there would be a whole lot of people who hate the WoW formula for DnD, but they were banking on the fact that using MMO lingo (controller, striker, tank, etc.) and a "powers" system not unlike most MMO's would bring in a larger customer base. Not caring that a large portion of loyal customers would basically quit and not buy it. Sound business model (if it works), but poor display of loyalty to the people who have been buying products for 20 years. If we wanted MMO crap, we could play an MMO.
Let me also draw your attention to the point of this ORIGINAL post. Some guy wanting an apology for their not caring about him and their current customer base. That is the ORIGINAL post of this thread. My point is that he is 3 years behind the times, and just now figuring it out. You want proof of crap, he drew up a nice big letter. Read it, and argue with him about how he hates children and wants to kill everyones kids.
p.s. You should never bring your children into a discussion or argument. That should go without saying. And if you think that your 3 year old makes more sense then I do during her half asleep conversations, it is probably because that is your level of conversational understanding.
p.p.s. You did leave yourself wide open for that one. =]
Style75: Due to technical difficulty my thoughtful response to most of your comments are gone. Here is a watered down version. I just don't care. Especially when you make the same mistake mudbunny did in the middle of your response, and not pay
Was away at a rented house over xmas to New Year's break. Not only did the house have no internet access, but even the Verizon mifi that we brought to try to provide access wouldn't work. So there we were, no internet, no character builder.
Some of us don't like relying on "the cloud." Never know when it will be a sunny day!
SIGNEDWas away at a rented house over xmas to New Year's break. Not only did the house have no internet access, but even the Verizon mifi that we brought to try to provide access wouldn't work. So there we were, no internet, no character builder.
I've been a subscriber since 2008 (you know, when they plastered the back page of every book with that ad for DDI). I was promised digital Dungeon and Dragon magazines, a character generator, a virtual tabletop, and a character visualizer. Almost three years later and I've now got, what, one of those promises fulfilled?
SignedI've been a subscriber since 2008 (you know, when they plastered the back page of every book with that ad for DDI). I was promised digital Dungeon and Dragon magazines, a character generator, a virtual tabletop, and a character visualizer. Almo
It seems we lost the magazines too. They are going to separate smaller articles and won't be compiled at the end of the month.
Where did they say they will no longer release the entire magazine for Dungeon and Dragon to DDI subscribers at the end of each month?
I know there was a change to how articles are released, but I didn't see it stated anywhere that the entire magazines would no longer be available at the end of each month....
Where did they say they will no longer release the entire magazine for Dungeon and Dragon to DDI subscribers at the end of each month?I know there was a change to how articles are released, but I didn't see it stated anywhere that the entire magazine
If you've not found it yet it is in the most popular thread today (popular thread unpopular decision).
Also in Bill's Ampersand article he slips it in, in the last paragraph of the D&D RPG Product Release Updates section.
Finally, I wanted to let you know that we’re making a change to the way we handle D&D Insider content. Subscriber data informs us that the vast majority of you consume our articles individually, when they are posted, as opposed to downloading the monthly compilations. So, starting this month, we’re just providing the articles. There won’t be any more monthly downloadable compilations. This is not a reduction in content, just a reduction in service and a clarification of presentation and putting the emphasis where the majority of you are using it. Corrections and updates to articles which used to appear only in the compilations will now be made to the individual articles a few weeks after the original posting.
Bold added to high light the point, textadded to reflect the truth.
If you've not found it yet it is in the most popular thread today (popular thread unpopular decision).Also in Bill's Ampersand article he slips it in, in the last paragraph of the D&D RPG Product Release Updates section.Bold added to high light the p
If you've not found it yet it is in the most popular thread today (popular thread unpopular decision).
Also in Bill's Ampersand article he slips it in, in the last paragraph of the D&D RPG Product Release Updates section.
Finally, I wanted to let you know that we’re making a change to the way we handle D&D Insider content. Subscriber data informs us that the vast majority of you consume our articles individually, when they are posted, as opposed to downloading the monthly compilations. So, starting this month, we’re just providing the articles. There won’t be any more monthly downloadable compilations. This is not a reduction in content, just a reduction in service and a clarification of presentation and putting the emphasis where the majority of you are using it. Corrections and updates to articles which used to appear only in the compilations will now be made to the individual articles a few weeks after the original posting.
Bold added to high light the point, textadded to reflect the truth.
A zip file compilation of images or articles is NOT the same as downloading the entire magazine PDF.Where does it say they will no longer post the entire magazine as a PDF file at the end of each month?Bold added to high light the point, text added t
If you've not found it yet it is in the most popular thread today (popular thread unpopular decision).
Also in Bill's Ampersand article he slips it in, in the last paragraph of the D&D RPG Product Release Updates section.
Finally, I wanted to let you know that we’re making a change to the way we handle D&D Insider content. Subscriber data informs us that the vast majority of you consume our articles individually, when they are posted, as opposed to downloading the monthly compilations. So, starting this month, we’re just providing the articles. There won’t be any more monthly downloadable compilations. This is not a reduction in content, just a reduction in service and a clarification of presentation and putting the emphasis where the majority of you are using it. Corrections and updates to articles which used to appear only in the compilations will now be made to the individual articles a few weeks after the original posting.
Bold added to high light the point, textadded to reflect the truth.
Are you blind? it says it right there. You can also find it in the F.A.Q. They haven't said anywhere that they will zip them up. That was requests and speculation. You will still be able to download each individual article at the end of the month, but no compilation...
Bold added to high light the point, text added to reflect the truth.[/quote][/quote]Are you blind? it says it right there. You can also find it in the F.A.Q.They haven't said anywhere that they will zip them up. That was requests and speculation. You
Are you blind? it says it right there. You can also find it in the F.A.Q. They haven't said anywhere that they will zip them up. That was requests and speculation. You will still be able to download each individual article at the end of the month, but no compilation...
Are you daft? You are NOT getting it.
A compilation and/or a zip file is NOT the same thing as a PDF file.
That PDF file they put out at the end of each month for Dragon and Dungeon? Yeah, that is NOT a compilation.
Sigh....
Are you daft? You are NOT getting it.A compilation and/or a zip file is NOT the same thing as a PDF file.That PDF file they put out at the end of each month for Dragon and Dungeon? Yeah, that is NOT a compilation.Sigh....
Are you blind? it says it right there. You can also find it in the F.A.Q. They haven't said anywhere that they will zip them up. That was requests and speculation. You will still be able to download each individual article at the end of the month, but no compilation...
Are you daft? You are NOT getting it.
A compilation and/or a zip file is NOT the same thing as a PDF file.
That PDF file they put out at the end of each month for Dragon and Dungeon? Yeah, that is NOT a compilation.
Sigh....
Then what previous MONTHLY compilation are they getting rid of? It must by a process of elimination be the PDF...
Are you daft? You are NOT getting it.A compilation and/or a zip file is NOT the same thing as a PDF file.That PDF file they put out at the end of each month for Dragon and Dungeon? Yeah, that is NOT a compilation.Sigh....[/quote]Then what previous
A compilation and/or a zip file is NOT the same thing as a PDF file.
That PDF file they put out at the end of each month for Dragon and Dungeon? Yeah, that is NOT a compilation.
Sigh....
I'm afraid it is you that is not getting it. Did you read the thread that I linked to?
From WotC_Trevor's first post.
The Dragon/Dungeon compilations we did at the end of Decmeber will be our last. I’m here to give you a little bit more information about the change.
So why did we decide to do this? It takes a lot of time to compile and reformat the articles for the end of month rollups and, unfortunately, the amount of downloads we’ve been seeing hasn’t been enough to justify the time it takes to put them together. By cutting that out of the equation, we free up more time to focus on other aspects of the D&D website. We’re not cutting back on content, we’re just eliminating an option that goes largely unused.
You do not reformat zip files of images he is talking about the complied PDFs of the magazines. Look at any previous months Content Calendar and you can see that the magazine PDF is referred to as the Issue Compilation. That is the compilation that is getting axed.
To read it any other way is just incorrect.
I'm afraid it is you that is not getting it. Did you read the thread that I linked to?From WotC_Trevor's first post.You do not reformat zip files of images he is talking about the complied PDFs of the magazines. Look at any previous months Content Ca
You do not reformat zip files of images he is talking about the complied PDFs of the magazines. Look at any previous months Content Calendar and you can see that the magazine PDF is referred to as the Issue Compilation. That is the compilation that is getting axed."
Wow, WotC literally killed both Dungeon and Dragon in the same month. I wonder how much XP Hasbro gave them.
Wow, WotC literally killed both Dungeon and Dragon in the same month. I wonder how much XP Hasbro gave them.
While there of course is a downside, I actually *like* the online version better. It requires no download, and I can use it on any computer I'm at. So that means I don't *need* to port my laptop, or even a flash drive, to access my stuff.
I see it as a 6 in one hand/half dozen in the other situation. I would've been happy either way.
That said, I would like to see some more apps, even simple apps. Especially an app for building encounters (the monster maker may have this, but if it does I haven't seen it).
Overall, I'm very happy with my subscription. I eagerly - and patiently - await future applications. Has anyone heard about upcoming apps?
While there of course is a downside, I actually *like* the online version better. It requires no download, and I can use it on any computer I'm at. So that means I don't *need* to port my laptop, or even a flash drive, to access my stuff. I see it
I just cancelled my DDI subscription. My subscription runs out 01/27/11. I don't plan to renew until DDI is fixed concerning the Character Builder and Monster Builder. Until then, BUH-BYE. Don't ever give customers less than what they have now.
I just cancelled my DDI subscription. My subscription runs out 01/27/11. I don't plan to renew until DDI is fixed concerning the Character Builder and Monster Builder. Until then, BUH-BYE. Don't ever give customers less than what they have now.
Dont post much here. Just wanted to voice my displeasure and tell WoTC that they made a decision that cost them a loyal customer. Might not mean much to them, but it is personal for me. It is MY hobby. It is something I have put much time into for almost 25 years. I have come to the point of having zero faith in the direction and leadership that WoTC is taking D&D. It sadly reminds me of the end days of TSR.
I am neither angry or upset, hateful or disgusted......
I am just very sad.
Signed.Dont post much here. Just wanted to voice my displeasure and tell WoTC that they made a decision that cost them a loyal customer. Might not mean much to them, but it is personal for me. It is MY hobby. It is something I have put much time into
Goodbye DDI. You've changed; you used to be about the gaming, man.
Must say it has been nice to see gamers so united about something, I don't even think a thread calling for a ban on halflings would get as much positive support as this one.
Goodbye DDI. You've changed; you used to be about the gaming, man.Must say it has been nice to see gamers so united about something, I don't even think a thread calling for a ban on halflings would get as much positive support as this one.
I am just completely disheartened by this latest trend. So much so I had to post my own statement in a new thread. I think after all these years of loving D&D Hasbro and it's affiliated companies trickling down to WOTC have finaly shattered me. This is the straw that broke the camels back. Personally I wish a lawyer D&D fan on here could inform us whether this latest denial of service from wizards was enough of a massive screw job to justify a class action from every subscriber that is being polearmed in the Gluteus Maximus. ARgh!
I am just completely disheartened by this latest trend. So much so I had to post my own statement in a new thread. I think after all these years of loving D&D Hasbro and it's affiliated companies trickling down to WOTC have finaly shattered me. T
I am just completely disheartened by this latest trend. So much so I had to post my own statement in a new thread. I think after all these years of loving D&D Hasbro and it's affiliated companies trickling down to WOTC have finaly shattered me. This is the straw that broke the camels back. Personally I wish a lawyer D&D fan on here could inform us whether this latest denial of service from wizards was enough of a massive screw job to justify a class action from every subscriber that is being polearmed in the Gluteus Maximus. ARgh!
What 'denial of service' are you referring to? I can't think of any actions WotC has taken that would merit a class action lawsuit. If you are a DDI subscriber and don't feel that it will be worth your time going forward, you should be able to cancel your subscription and be refunded the remaining amount. If you also feel that the last month was unsatisfactory, you may even be able to get a refund for that month. These would seem far more reasonable approaches that trying to drum up a lawsuit, which would likely end poorly for just about everyone involved.
What 'denial of service' are you referring to? I can't think of any actions WotC has taken that would merit a class action lawsuit. If you are a DDI subscriber and don't feel that it will be worth your time going forward, you should be able to cancel
I am just completely disheartened by this latest trend. So much so I had to post my own statement in a new thread. I think after all these years of loving D&D Hasbro and it's affiliated companies trickling down to WOTC have finaly shattered me. This is the straw that broke the camels back. Personally I wish a lawyer D&D fan on here could inform us whether this latest denial of service from wizards was enough of a massive screw job to justify a class action from every subscriber that is being polearmed in the Gluteus Maximus. ARgh!
What 'denial of service' are you referring to? I can't think of any actions WotC has taken that would merit a class action lawsuit. If you are a DDI subscriber and don't feel that it will be worth your time going forward, you should be able to cancel your subscription and be refunded the remaining amount. If you also feel that the last month was unsatisfactory, you may even be able to get a refund for that month. These would seem far more reasonable approaches that trying to drum up a lawsuit, which would likely end poorly for just about everyone involved.
This reminds me of the lawsuit against the local water co-op out here where I live. The co-op was overcharging, so a bunch of people got together and did a class action lawsuit and got their money back. Then the month after that the co-op increased the price citing 'increased legal fees'. Really you can't win against a corporation.
In the case of DDi, though I'm not a lawyer, there's not much that would come of a lawsuit. At most you would get your money back that you paid in, and WotC would have to cover the cost of legal fees. Then Hasborg/WotC would just pass the cost on to their customers in the form of a price increase...
What 'denial of service' are you referring to? I can't think of any actions WotC has taken that would merit a class action lawsuit. If you are a DDI subscriber and don't feel that it will be worth your time going forward, you should be able to cancel
What happened to you WotC? Has Hasbro finally gotten to you? I defended 4th edition from the grognards but your service sucks. You promise and don't deliver.
Sined, Cosined, and TangentedWhat happened to you WotC? Has Hasbro finally gotten to you? I defended 4th edition from the grognards but your service sucks. You promise and don't deliver.
I know it won't help (seriously, since when did WotC actually LISTEN to any of these?), but I figure it's worth a shot.
Seriously, it'd at least be something if they had the collective balls/ovaries to actually respond to this thread, but we know they won't.
SIGNED!I know it won't help (seriously, since when did WotC actually LISTEN to any of these?), but I figure it's worth a shot.Seriously, it'd at least be something if they had the collective balls/ovaries to actually respond to this thread, but we kn
I stopped buying from Games Workshop in 1999 after they tried to treat me like a 12 yo with more money than brains and I have now made the same decision with Wizards of the Coast. When you bring out rules "supplements" that change the core rules you destroy my trust in your product. (If I paint my miniature red can get twice as many experience points?)
Well done guys and gals, you've taken a product with a fanatical fan base and created a schism as well as isolating a large portion of your customer base. I hope selling plastic miniatures was worth it.
Signed. I stopped buying from Games Workshop in 1999 after they tried to treat me like a 12 yo with more money than brains and I have now made the same decision with Wizards of the Coast. When you bring out rules "supplements" that change the core ru
Of course, I'm still frustrated that my DMG from 2008 says that I "can use D&DI to play D&D over the Internet, bringing friends scattered across the country or the world back together around a virtual gaming table."
No, I can't, you liars.
Quit lying.
try any number of solid Virtual Tabletops on the market, like d20pro or maptools
try any number of solid Virtual Tabletops on the market, like d20pro or maptools
Signed. Been a gamer for around 25 years and am getting pretty tired with shelling out my hard earned cash on something that gets cancelled or replaced with something newer that has more 'buzz' words in it. I have been a loyal gamer playing D&D (and AD&D) during this time, but I think the introduction of the Essentials line and the fact that I just can't get a straight answer about the future of 4E (non-Essentials) is probably the end of D&D. I wish it was just myself who felt so disappointed with the new paradigm -but it is the general consensus of both the groups I play in (around 9 other gamers).
Signed. Been a gamer for around 25 years and am getting pretty tired with shelling out my hard earned cas
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evidently WotC cannot process my request to cease paying them... big surprise... it's also convienent that my auto-renew was set for the 15th and this feature has given an error since the 14th.... There is no way out....
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