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2 years ago ::
Jan 11, 2011 - 12:03PM
#2111
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Date Joined:
Sep 13, 2007
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Just putting in my two cents. I truly hate this version of Character builder. 1st No subscription and they keep your character. You can't even access it. Better print out before letting sub run out. 2nd Go to con and either pay of internet (if they have it there) or again not changing your character while on site. So when you charact levels on day one you can't use the builder until after the con to up date you character even if the it is a four day con. 3rd no interenet = no looking up how items found work if you don't own WOTCs umpteen $30 books in addition to subscription. No quick search, even with the books. This is truly LAME!!! you guys are truly a greedy bunch. At least you got my money 3 or 4 times a year when I wanted to update my character for a coming con (before, during and after). Now after renewing and learning I can't update the builder offline and that you will be holing my character hostage if I don't pay. I will not be renewing anymore. Thats $40 -$50 lost per year but that is small potatoes to you I am sure you will suck in some folks who can't live without it when they have internet connection. THANKS FOR NOTHING!!!
You sir won the lottery. You were specifically targeted by these CB changes.
1) Don't buy books.
2) Sub to DDI just a few times a year.
CB was never intended to be a replacement for buying the books. Why some continue to be shocked by this I'll never know.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 11, 2011 - 1:42PM
#2112
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Date Joined:
Oct 30, 2008
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Just putting in my two cents. I truly hate this version of Character builder. 1st No subscription and they keep your character. You can't even access it. Better print out before letting sub run out. 2nd Go to con and either pay of internet (if they have it there) or again not changing your character while on site. So when you charact levels on day one you can't use the builder until after the con to up date you character even if the it is a four day con. 3rd no interenet = no looking up how items found work if you don't own WOTCs umpteen $30 books in addition to subscription. No quick search, even with the books. This is truly LAME!!! you guys are truly a greedy bunch. At least you got my money 3 or 4 times a year when I wanted to update my character for a coming con (before, during and after). Now after renewing and learning I can't update the builder offline and that you will be holing my character hostage if I don't pay. I will not be renewing anymore. Thats $40 -$50 lost per year but that is small potatoes to you I am sure you will suck in some folks who can't live without it when they have internet connection. THANKS FOR NOTHING!!!
Export, bro.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 11, 2011 - 2:11PM
#2113
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
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Export is dead useful after your sub has expired, yeah. You get a .dnd4e file you can't view or modify. Score.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 11, 2011 - 3:22PM
#2114
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Date Joined:
Oct 30, 2008
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I can view and modify it. I just open it up in the offline cb.
Also, he can access those characters when he resubs for the tools. Not really sure what the point is except: "I want a $10 character builder!"
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2 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2011 - 1:48AM
#2115
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
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Where it shows up as house ruled and has none of the information required to actually play the character, unless you've made a character entirely with options already in the CBC, in which case, why are you bothered at all (or, you've done that thing we're not supposed to talk about, but then, the same applies)? So it's useless.
The export feature only gives you a functional character sheet when uploaded to the OCB. For a given value of functional, of course.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2011 - 7:42AM
#2116
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2003
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Where it shows up as house ruled and has none of the information required to actually play the character, unless you've made a character entirely with options already in the CBC, in which case, why are you bothered at all (or, you've done that thing we're not supposed to talk about, but then, the same applies)? So it's useless.
The export feature only gives you a functional character sheet when uploaded to the OCB. For a given value of functional, of course.
Well, export also allows you to view/print in coopoeration with someone who has an active DDI subscription. So there's that, too.
Still, there's no arguing that the old CB was (is?) more user-friendly, but the model was flawed in terms of protecting an income stream for WotC.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2011 - 7:52AM
#2117
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
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Mm, there would have been better ways of dealing with that, though. But to be honest, I'm not about to rehash that discussion over again.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2011 - 9:13AM
#2118
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2003
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Mm, there would have been better ways of dealing with that, though...
I won't argue that point, though I think that ship has well and truly sailed... This whole thing was done poorly - including having the on-line builder start with signficantly reduced capabilities for building/printing characters.
Still, we are where we are, and it's pretty clear that WotC is moving forward form here and that's just the way it is. It's just possibel that, in the end, this might prove to be a great thing in terms of having a VT that can link to your character information stored on-line. I don't anticipate ever using such capability, but I could see where it could be wonderful for some folks.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2011 - 9:52AM
#2119
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Date Joined:
Aug 19, 2005
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Just putting in my two cents. I truly hate this version of Character builder. 1st No subscription and they keep your character. You can't even access it. Better print out before letting sub run out. 2nd Go to con and either pay of internet (if they have it there) or again not changing your character while on site. So when you charact levels on day one you can't use the builder until after the con to up date you character even if the it is a four day con. 3rd no interenet = no looking up how items found work if you don't own WOTCs umpteen $30 books in addition to subscription. No quick search, even with the books. This is truly LAME!!! you guys are truly a greedy bunch. At least you got my money 3 or 4 times a year when I wanted to update my character for a coming con (before, during and after). Now after renewing and learning I can't update the builder offline and that you will be holing my character hostage if I don't pay. I will not be renewing anymore. Thats $40 -$50 lost per year but that is small potatoes to you I am sure you will suck in some folks who can't live without it when they have internet connection. THANKS FOR NOTHING!!!
You sir won the lottery. You were specifically targeted by these CB changes.
1) Don't buy books.
2) Sub to DDI just a few times a year.
CB was never intended to be a replacement for buying the books. Why some continue to be shocked by this I'll never know.
Absolutely, and, you know, I can tell from the tone of his post that he's running out right now to purchase all those books he missed. Not to mention seeing the error of his ways and signing up for permanent DDI membership. WotC shoot, they score! All that extra money coming their wa... what? Oh. Oh, never mind, then.
Fact is, just as TaxeonZ says, what WotC have done is lost $40-$50 a year in revenue. Apparently they feel a principle is worth that loss, despite that the marginal cost per CB was zero. I could say "maybe they know best", but it doesn't sound like rocket science, to me.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2011 - 11:13AM
#2120
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Date Joined:
Sep 13, 2007
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Absolutely, and, you know, I can tell from the tone of his post that he's running out right now to purchase all those books he missed. Not to mention seeing the error of his ways and signing up for permanent DDI membership. WotC shoot, they score! All that extra money coming their wa... what? Oh. Oh, never mind, then.
Fact is, just as TaxeonZ says, what WotC have done is lost $40-$50 a year in revenue. Apparently they feel a principle is worth that loss, despite that the marginal cost per CB was zero. I could say "maybe they know best", but it doesn't sound like rocket science, to me.
Revenue <> Profit. I wish I could remember where I saw it posted here, but someone talked about how not every customer is profitable and that there are some customers you don't want along with a link to the outside reference. I found this: www.philldomask.com/blog/blog28.html While it is not exactly what he was talking about, if I squint my eyes a bit it's vaguely close. The basic concept (as i recall) was that it is not profitable for a company to do what is necessary to have every possible customer.
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