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3 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2010 - 11:52AM
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Ironically, while you guys were both simultaneously responding, I was simultaneously editing.  An addendum for the simultaneous response:
It wouldn't bounce off, per se, it just wouldn't be an eligible origin square. But I can't imagine a situation in which, in game terms, an intangible, obscured square would need to be ruled as blocking line of sight.
So, if you can't imagine something blocking LoS without also blocking LoE, what's the point of the distinction in the first place?
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3 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2010 - 11:55AM
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Jun 16, 2008
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An addendum for the simultaneous response:
It wouldn't bounce off, per se, it just wouldn't be an eligible origin square. But I can't imagine a situation in which, in game terms, an intangible, obscured square would need to be ruled as blocking line of sight.
If you can't see through it (obscured) you lose line of sight to anything behind it. Intangibility means that things can pass through it. So a grenade could pass through a pillar of dense, black smoke but you'd suffer the standard penalties for something with complete concealment.
If you didn't hit the target, chances are that the grenade won't disintegrate into nothingness (though for simplicity's sake that works). Adding scatter and bounce rules for grenades brings some slight realism to the game and might make it more fun. At least I think it'd be fun to add a little chaos from a missed grenade bouncing around a battlefield 
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3 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2010 - 11:58AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 16, 2008
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So, if you can't imagine something blocking LoS without also blocking LoE, what's the point of the distinction in the first place?
Line of Effect and Line of Sight are two completely different things. If someone is behind an invisible forcefield, you have line of sight but you do not have line of effect. If someone is behind a wall that doesn't fully cover the blast radius of an area or blast, you don't have line of sight, but you do have line of effect.
If someone is standing behind dark, black, obscuring smoke, you don't have line of sight but you have line of effect (due to intagilbility of the smoke).
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