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#1: You can rule the weapons are broken and not scavengable. This really isn't necessary though.

#2: Guns use AMMO. The rules for ammo are already clear, and do not use saving throws.

"You either have ammo, or you do not. If you use a weapon that requires ammo only once in an encounter, you're conserving your ammo and will not run out.
If you use ammo more than once in an encounter, you are Out Of Ammo at the end of the encounter."

That's all there is to it. The weapons are not unbalanced, they're built into the game that way, and meant to be more powerful. Players are even allowed to choose guns as starting equipment!

It's not a big deal, because they can only use guns ONCE per encounter, or run out of ammo. If they don't find more ammo, sucks for them.

There are only 2 powers that can use a ranged weapon anyways. Speedster and Hypercognitive. Both are encounter only powers. Both use the same calculations as a Basic Attack, except they let you use certain stats instead.

There is no issue with balance. The game is designed assuming that people are using guns.
Read all the rules before assuming there are problems with the game. The rules for ammo are on the same page as the damage for the guns.

Oct 14, 2010 -- 3:47AM, Coachman wrote:

Do the players just use the damage block for these weapon with the encounter and at-wills?

Nope.

Chapter 5: Monsters (page 106, equipment, Ammo) states:

"Ammo: Some monsters shoot guns, rocket launchers, or sharpened disc-throwers in combat. In most cases, the monster is carrying enough ammo to use the weapon throughout an encounter. Unusual weapons might have just one shot. I either case, the ammo is expended at the end of the encounter."

If your players get fussy about it, just tell them that the weapon has been damaged, modified by the monster in a way that renders it unusable by the players, or otherwise goofed up beyond all usability for the PCs. Remeber also that it's not the weapon that confers the powers the monsters use, but the monsters that have the powers, and those powers just have the weapon keyword. It's no different from the powers that the PCs can use which have the Weapon keyword.

Right. When a player salvages a rifle from a dead monster, that rifle is just a two-handed gun like any other two-handed gun.

It's the monster's talent and skill which made that weapon a 2d8 burst or whatever.  

What you might do is make the Machine Gun into an Omega Tech card.

Make up your own card. Give it text and an encounter power. Put a "salvage" ability on it which is +1 better than an ordinary gun the players might already have.

And when the players draw Omega Tech after the encounter, the Machine Gun counts as one of those draws.