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3 years ago ::
Oct 09, 2010 - 11:29AM
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Mar 26, 2010
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Alright, so the only way you get to be an Engineered Human with the base rules (so no picking) is if your Second Origin Roll = First Origin Roll (pg 34), thus making your second origin as Engineered Human.
The only modifiers to using an overcharge power is based on your primary origin (pg 34) "You gain +2 bonus to overcharge rolls on Alpha powers that have the same power source as your primary origin"
So my questions is this:
Why do Engineered Humans get +2 to all overcharge, if the only way to become Engineered human is through your secondary origin? (pg 56)
I thought it over a bit and considered perhaps this would only apply in a Game where the GM allows the PCs to choose primary and secondary origins, but I wanted to make sure I did not miss a way for either Engineered Humans to be primary or that your secondary origin has some effect on your Overcharge rolls.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 09, 2010 - 5:55PM
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Mar 23, 2008
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I think you've just caught a design flaw in the system. In fact the engineered human is kinda strange in the fact that your crit bonus still says lvl 2 or 6 when it can only be a secondary and you couldn't take it at lvl 2. I smell errata already. Honestly tho, you could rule to let your players roll 2 origins then choose a primary, a basic rule like that would at least give you a little choice in your character. If you want to stay 100% random I would just say when you roll engineered human you get the +2 to all overcharge since you were cool enough to roll 2 of the same number, thats probably the RAI Imho.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 09, 2010 - 7:40PM
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Mar 26, 2010
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Actually at level 2 or 6 you can choose to take the ability from either of your two origins (pg 32 Benefits Paragraph) so that is fine. But unless you can take Engineered Human as your primary there is no way to be able to get the +2 to all overcharges.
Perhaps it is for those who want to use the optional rules to be allowed to pick origins (bottom of page 35), or as you suggested allow them to pick which one is primary.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2010 - 4:41AM
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Right now I'm leaning towards the Engineered Human reference on the Origins table being a typo (having should've read Primary.)
Why give such a good bonus as a universal +2 overchange solely to people that are building characters against the spirit of the game, or as the rules refer to them: Big Chickens ?
Also, the fluff section seems to indicate that when visualizing your character that you should use Engineered Human as if it was the primary origin. :/
I think I'd like some clarification.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2010 - 12:36PM
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I think that Engineered Human should ALWAYS be considerd your primary origin. They are perfect, after all.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2010 - 12:42PM
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Jun 23, 2008
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Right now I'm leaning towards the Engineered Human reference on the Origins table being a typo (having should've read Primary.)
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Also, the fluff section seems to indicate that when visualizing your character that you should use Engineered Human as if it was the primary origin.
This was my impression as well. For example a player rolls character origin and rolls 20, 20.
RAW:
Origin 1: Yeti
Origin 2: Engineered Human
RAI (I think)
Origin 1: Engineered Human
Origin 2: Yeti
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3 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2010 - 2:09PM
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Mar 23, 2008
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I agree with that. I reviewed the rules a bit last night and decided the same thing (was actually about to come post it.). Engineered human should be your primary origin if you roll it and that would take care of all the problems, and would seem to fit the roleplaying fluff better as well. Your a human and you slowly mutate into your second origin (as you gain levels and begin to get powers from your other origin).
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3 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2010 - 3:13PM
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Mar 26, 2010
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It does make sense, but I would love TPTB say something, I mean it is a change of one word on page 34 - changing second to primary.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2010 - 11:59PM
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Yeah I don't think they meant just primary origin on page 34, since they went through the trouble of writing "+2 to xxxx overcharge" on all of the origin stat pages, where xxxx is the same as the power source but speaks nothing about primary/secondary.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 11, 2010 - 12:53AM
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Aug 31, 2010
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I'm just letting people choose which one is primary. Solves all problems
AlexandraErin: If last season was any indication, I think Encounters is pretty much the elemental opposite of "organized" play!
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