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Sep 30, 2010 -- 3:31AM, Nausicaa wrote:

The real strength of FoH is that its feature are sublety powerfuly. A +1 to save rolls, for example, is stupendously good, as numinous cascade. On hit bonus on AP? Yes please.

CharOps tends to greatly misvalue the bonus of +X to all allies. Just this past week, my Daring Blade did a +2 power bonus to all allies as a move action. There would have been two misses that round had he not done that. Even low values tend to be very valuable - an example of this is Group Assault, the Half-Elf Fighter feat, +1 damage for allies to anyone you've marked.

If your group focus fires, then you can effectively get roughly +4 damage per round if everyone hits instead of the mere +1 that WF would give you in Heroic. This is arguably Gold for Half-Elves in Heroic, yet it doesn't even merit a color in the Fighter Handbooks.

+1 to all saves is fantastic when the whole party gets stunned in a close burst, save ends. It may not be as obvious as killing all surprise situations, but I've seen a lot more missed saves by 1 than I have seen surprise conditions.

Sep 30, 2010 -- 3:31AM, Nausicaa wrote:

Naturally you have to love the leader's-novas subtheme. For example i, personally, would have taken Sivir Truenamer as PP for this build, but not because it's stronger than FoH... only because i feel that controllers should think much less about novas and much more about everything else. This is just my point of view, though.

This isn't really the Controller doing a Nova, though. He's simply self-setting up an ideal situation for a controller. Namely, imposing a big condition with great odds, forcing the opponents to continue to have that condition, and helping his allies finish off the opponents under that condition.

Oct 17, 2010 -- 9:31PM, Tektonik wrote:

the key part is that once they fail the first save they dont get to make another one

And that they are still unconscious even with a miss...