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3 years ago  ::  Sep 18, 2010 - 7:33PM #1
wolfberg
Date Joined: Sep 15, 2010
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You know, recently reading into 4e Faerun I am by and large positvely excited. Even tho many destroyed realms to the south are kinda sad, I knew them only barely, sticking mostly to computer games until recently.

But what I positively miss are all those old gods, and sorry but those "new" gods are speak not to me at all. There are so many missing divine aspects which are just not really covered, and many cool and interesting gods are gone or absorbed. In this case WotC just did a bad job IMO. Here are some highlights of gods I really want to see back:

- Lathander: Sorry but Amanauthor just doesn't do. I liked the positive attitude of the Morninglord way more than the stern lawful Sun God we have now. Lathander had something youthful, optimistic, and not the aspect of a supreme judge.

- Mask: Where is the god of thieves? How can a world live without a trickster god of thieves??

- Helm & Tyr: I just don't feel with Torm. Again, Helm and Tyr were gods I could "feel", who felt kinda inspiring, but Torm, I connect nothing with him. Watchful Helm and honorable Tyr just were cool gods.

- Ellistrae: I am just profoundly shocked over her death. For me as a good-Drow-fan, Ellistrae was always of the greatest importance, and no Corellian just does NOT do! He was the one who curses the Drow and now the good Darkelves are under his domain? NO FRIGGING WAY.

- Mystra: Last but not least. Yes it makes the sense of the Spellplague, but for me Mystra was always some sort of benevolent goddess of pulling strings, with Mystras chosen who helped the good cause of the Realms. Via Elminster and others. Now Elminster is mad, Khelban is dead and the Chosen of Mystra are all but faded away. Even if Mystra returning would not have the same power over magic as before, maybe more a goddess of "heroes" and "civilization" or so.


I miss these gods. And yes you can say, we can make our own setting where they still live, you just get it pushed into your face in any official material that they don't. I prefer the official settings and seriously request WotC to bring them back. I always felt that too much god-dying never was a good thing, and IMO one of the weak spots of D&D. I kinda prefer my gods to be... well gods. Who just stay in power. Maybe kill one or two over a LONG period of time as some sort of exciting story, yes, but this is way too much.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 18, 2010 - 8:03PM #2
Nai_Calus
Date Joined: Jun 10, 2008
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No, elven high magic and Corellon having to go along with the will of his followers was what cursed the drow, and he hasn't been depicted as particularly hating them since, Demihuman Deities for example notes that there are a few drow in his clergy. So yes, Corellon taking care of the good drow makes perfect sense and is as it should have been all along. Eilistraee was a pointless failure of a goddess that did nothing to get the good drow to actually be elves and just let the matriarchy continue. Glad she's gone.


I'd be annoyed that you forgot Vhaeraun, but I maintain that he isn't dead anyway. You did forget Selvetarm and Kiaransalee though.


I'm annoyed that Rilifane Rallathil is STILL missing. They haven't said he's dead to my knowledge, but they haven't said anything about him being alive either.


But yeah, the whole 'People are too stupid to deal with more than three gods, let's kill a bunch of them' annoys the hell out of me.


 

It's spelled Corellon Larethian, not Correlon, Correllon, Correlllon, Corellion, Correlian or any other way of getting it wrong.
I'm a total grognard and I still play 4E.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 18, 2010 - 8:44PM #3
sfdragon
Date Joined: May 8, 2004
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for the first and last time. The Chronomancer faked his death with a clone so many centuries ago and has been watching in the background as Mystra's chosen have been doing their goddess's work. Having gone from Aethiest to a Silvanus worshiper, he went foward in time and watched it all happen.

sneaking back in the past, he hides 4 enclaves and later warns HAlruua to hide and where.
Halruua wasn't destroyed, they got out of the place 8 months before the plague and now live within it inhabiting 4 netherese enclaves.

4 enclaves of Halruuans verses two enclaves of shade....



and Eilistraee isn't dead, she just gave up her divinity and they key word in that book is Feigned death.

I ne'er liked Tyr or Torm so.....


oh wait, this is fan ficed......

its your realms, if you want Helm back, than Helm never died.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 12:42AM #4
Nai_Calus
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In my realms, the Crown Wars never happened and the elves still rule Faerun.


I'd need to *have* a Realms first, but.

It's spelled Corellon Larethian, not Correlon, Correllon, Correlllon, Corellion, Correlian or any other way of getting it wrong.
I'm a total grognard and I still play 4E.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 1:08AM #5
18DELTA
Date Joined: Aug 15, 2007
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I wish that all of the Gods would just die in their own feces...

I say get rid of them all, make the designers kill something else for once...
HAND OF KARSUS!



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3 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 12:00PM #6
BlackHalfDragon
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- Lathander: Sorry but Amanauthor just doesn't do. I liked the positive attitude of the Morninglord way more than the stern lawful Sun God we have now. Lathander had something youthful, optimistic, and not the aspect of a supreme judge.

Lawful is judgemental but he also has the youthful aspects of when he was Lathander

- Mask: Where is the god of thieves? How can a world live without a trickster god of thieves??

He's probably hiding somewhere

- Helm & Tyr: I just don't feel with Torm. Again, Helm and Tyr were gods I could "feel", who felt kinda inspiring, but Torm, I connect nothing with him. Watchful Helm and honorable Tyr just were cool gods.

I myself think they should have let Tyr live not torm, and make its Tyr's portfolio watchful duty to justice

- Ellistrae: I am just profoundly shocked over her death. For me as a good-Drow-fan, Ellistrae was always of the greatest importance, and no Corellian just does NOT do! He was the one who curses the Drow and now the good Darkelves are under his domain? NO FRIGGING WAY.

It stops all the CG drizzt clones, nakkid drow fanservice and the droves  of 'good' drow in general.. a worthy killing


- Mystra: Last but not least. Yes it makes the sense of the Spellplague, but for me Mystra was always some sort of benevolent goddess of pulling strings, with Mystras chosen who helped the good cause of the Realms. Via Elminster and others. Now Elminster is mad, Khelban is dead and the Chosen of Mystra are all but faded away. Even if Mystra returning would not have the same power over magic as before, maybe more a goddess of "heroes" and "civilization" or so.

She was too deus ex machina and mary sue. Oh look mr god x that I don't like no magic for you. Oh look mrs god y dead magic zones ahahah lol phail. The whole thing about her chosen and the torrents of metaplot advancing novels books etc make/made it too much. By killing her we get universal magic, the nuking of all the stuff that's tosh and also the spellplague which essentially helps bring the FR into the 4th edition as 3.x was still a bit backwards in many respects.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 2:26PM #7
The_Silversword
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Mask was absorbed by Shar, but his Chosen are still around, infused with his divine essence, so in a sense hes still around.

Also Brandobaris, Erevan, and Baravar are still very much alive.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 20, 2010 - 6:37AM #8
Imruphel
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The positive side is that bringing one or more of these back could make for an interesting Epic tier campaign.

I plan, at some point, to run 1E's classic D1-D3/Q1 series as part of campaign to see Eilistraee returned and Lolth (possibly) slain (with Shar potentially taking up the slack... or Graz'zt). (And, IMC, Eilistraee is the Maiden of the Moon in the Feywild: an archfey but no longer a deity.)

In a similar way, why not have a campaign to "off" Amaunator? I've always viewed Amaunator as a closet tyrant. Maybe this side of his nature becomes more pronounced and your campaign becomes about finding a way to restore Lathander so the tyrant part of his nature dies.

(All that said, I am also thinking about going back to the FR of 1372 DR with the multitude of deities and maps that do not suck. In the meantime, I'm getting some value out of the 4E setting while I get a solid handle on the rules.)
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3 years ago  ::  Oct 01, 2010 - 5:26PM #9
JudgeDookie
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Imruphel...you are--by far--the epitomy of all that is right and wrong with FR these days.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2010 - 11:33PM #10
Doombringer_of_Hoar
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Hoar is still around!
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