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Sep 20, 2010 -- 9:47AM, zgrose wrote:

Sep 20, 2010 -- 9:46AM, FitzNighteyes wrote:

Sep 20, 2010 -- 8:59AM, zgrose wrote:

Quoting the other thread on this RC changes:

"Triggered actions that are not immediate or opportunity actions work like immediate reactions, unless they need to be an interrupt in order to function. (p. 197)"

Whether it speaks explicitly to untriggered actions I don't know, don't have a copy yet.
 

Well that breaks about a million and a half triggered free action powers, since they won't work when used as an interrupt or a reaction.  They need to resolve immediately following the trigger, not before it or after the action is completed.

Such as? 

Wand Implement Mastery for one.

-Polaris

Sep 20, 2010 -- 10:12AM, zgrose wrote:

Deadly Knowledge:

Trigger: Your attack bloodies an enemy or scores a critical hit against an enemy

Effect: The triggering attack deals extra damage equal to your Intelligence modifier to the enemy.

So you interrupt and your attack does more damage? What's the broken part?

You are going to do the extra damage before you do damage?  You are going to do the extra damage when you get a critical hit, before you do damage?

Sep 20, 2010 -- 10:18AM, zgrose wrote:

I fail to see the game consequence. That is, what harm is done? Just because its odd doesn't seem like a harm.

Well hell, you can work around almost any of them as long as everyone at the table it being reasonable.  That doesn't mean they all work as written though.

Anyway, at least its a rule.  Triggered Free Actions are now either interrupts if that's the only way they can work, or reactions.  Which means for example that Flurry of Blows occurs after the Monk's attack is resolved (but not necessarily complete action).  I'll do my normal things for rules I think don't work: use it whenever possible, ad-hoc it where its broken, and if one really bothers me write up the broken power in Errata.

Edit: Seperate question.  Did they make any change to interrupt to change it to interrupt an entire action (/move /attack)?  Or is still only interrupting the trigger?

Sep 20, 2010 -- 10:29AM, TheyCallMeTomuReborn wrote:

The interrupt resolves before the damage roll, but that doesn't mean that the effect of the interrupt can actually occur before it.

Which is why it can't be an interrupt.  Interrupts resolve before the trigger resolves.  You can't be extra to nothing.

Sep 20, 2010 -- 10:32AM, FitzNighteyes wrote:

Sep 20, 2010 -- 10:18AM, zgrose wrote:

I fail to see the game consequence. That is, what harm is done? Just because its odd doesn't seem like a harm.

Well hell, you can work around almost any of them as long as everyone at the table it being reasonable.

Granted

That doesn't mean they all work as written though.

Well, I think it clearly a change, but I question the notion that they are somehow broken. With my operating definition of broken being: "Leads to abusive results or simply cannot be understood how to resolve during play."

Anyway, at least its a rule.  Triggered Free Actions are now either interrupts if that's the only way they can work, or reactions.  Which means for example that Flurry of Blows occurs after the Monk's attack is resolved (but not necessarily complete action).  I'll do my normal things for rules I think don't work: use it whenever possible, ad-hoc it where its broken, and if one really bothers me write up the broken power in Errata.

Personally I think it works in more cases than not, but your SOP sounds about right to me.

Edit: Seperate question.  Did they make any change to interrupt to change it to interrupt an entire action (/move /attack)?  Or is still only interrupting the trigger?

I don't have RC yet nor do I know if that text was a paraphrase so I can't answer that.